mwj
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You got your feeling hurt because your little gossip didnt fly.
So how was your trip to the northwest?
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So how was your trip to the northwest?
Dave
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No my feeling are not hurt at all. I am debating over hitting the ignore button on you. I find you to be a waste of time.You got your feeling hurt because your little gossip didnt fly.
Doesnt surprise me. I know you prefer to live in your little world that is better than every where else.
simme
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"People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along?" Rodney King, 1992
No Rodney, I guess we can't. But they probably make a drug for that these days. The modern version of your question might be "Can we just stay on our meds?".
No Rodney, I guess we can't. But they probably make a drug for that these days. The modern version of your question might be "Can we just stay on our meds?".
OBAX
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It seems as though, without even knowing somebody, you can pick out, in your own mind of course, the ālittle man syndrome ā people when reading on a forum.
The scenario is as follows; some lowly contractors are working on a multi million dollar project that they are hired to do, probably by the state. These contractors have nothing to do with anything leading up to this job they are doing, just hired to do the work. And then they are trying to do the right thing by securing somebodyās animals, which is completely outside of their job description, but they are trying to do whatās right.
Then you have the ālittle guyā who, by gosh, is a land owner. Not just a lowly construction worker, but a land owner! And you dang workers are interrupting my life and land owning by trying to help me and Iām going to show you how powerful I am and get sideways with the boss and have your job, for trying to help me! I donāt need your blue collar help because Iām a land owner not just a guy like you. Then not only do I flex my land owning muscles, but then I post it on the internet to flex in front of my land owning buddies to show I donāt take any crap off of anybody trying to work around my land.
Point of this scenario is, the internet is no place to brag about making an a$$ out of yourself, and it is so much easier and effective to get along with the workers than to act like you are better than them and make them feel like they are stupid and you have their livelihood in the palm of your hand. Sounds like they will be there for a while, and acting like that will cause a lot more headaches than getting along with them and asking rather than demanding.
We are usually our own worst enemies. Those guys will either look out for you and go to bat for you, or they will do everything in their power to make it hard on you. Your early interactions with them will dictate that.
The scenario is as follows; some lowly contractors are working on a multi million dollar project that they are hired to do, probably by the state. These contractors have nothing to do with anything leading up to this job they are doing, just hired to do the work. And then they are trying to do the right thing by securing somebodyās animals, which is completely outside of their job description, but they are trying to do whatās right.
Then you have the ālittle guyā who, by gosh, is a land owner. Not just a lowly construction worker, but a land owner! And you dang workers are interrupting my life and land owning by trying to help me and Iām going to show you how powerful I am and get sideways with the boss and have your job, for trying to help me! I donāt need your blue collar help because Iām a land owner not just a guy like you. Then not only do I flex my land owning muscles, but then I post it on the internet to flex in front of my land owning buddies to show I donāt take any crap off of anybody trying to work around my land.
Point of this scenario is, the internet is no place to brag about making an a$$ out of yourself, and it is so much easier and effective to get along with the workers than to act like you are better than them and make them feel like they are stupid and you have their livelihood in the palm of your hand. Sounds like they will be there for a while, and acting like that will cause a lot more headaches than getting along with them and asking rather than demanding.
We are usually our own worst enemies. Those guys will either look out for you and go to bat for you, or they will do everything in their power to make it hard on you. Your early interactions with them will dictate that.
Mark Reynolds
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And finding new staff isn't getting any easier.
Exactly. Stop and be respectful and take a moment to educate those guys and they will likely do any thing for you. So much easier to try to get along first. They had good intentions.
I guarantee thos guys have been chewed out for gates left open and animals being out. Some their fault probably but a lot not likely their fault. They meet a lot of a-holes just like you described while they are just trying to do a job and go home to their families.
That pisses me off so bad. You got a problem with what my guys are doing or did you come chew me out. Don't take it out on them.
Dave
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That is what I did. I explained to him what open range is and there will likely be other critters on the road at this site. I called the land owner rep and politely explained to him that his crews have no business messing with any livestock. There is some safety reasons to. Good thing these were well broke horses and not some snarky old range cow who would have ate his lunch. When I told the owner about it he wasn't happy but he often comes across that way. I doubt he ever said anything to any of them. He has been too busy fighting fires nearly daily. Which of course I am sure doesn't help his mood at all.
Dave
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Just now I was at the post office. A man who lives up Shirtail Road (above the cement plant) said the power line crew working over there started a fire. Running equipment on 18 inch tall bone dry grass..... who would have thought? It is going to be100 again today with the humidity at 11%. Who would think you could start a fire in this weather. The guys working down by me have a 500 gallon fire wagon. It sounds like this other crew had nothing with them to fight fire. Our Rangeland Fire Protection Asso. (RFPA) guys have been spending well over half of their time fighting one fire or another. Just what they need, another fire. My next door neighbor has been on a fire 6 of the last 8 days. They got another call late yesterday. They have been on that fire ever since.
Kinda like that cop that pulled you over for speeding?
Easements of any kind are a pain in the rear. I'm nice to the gas line contractors that run our easement but they can be irritating. They've left gates open and got our cows and yearlings mixed together. They left a hole in the ground 20' round by 6' deep for months because they forgot about it. For the most part they work with you but they're just legal trespassers when it comes down to it. I'd be pissed if they locked my horses in a trap without water too, but someone on a county board should tell them the rules in the area.
No, he wasted resources that put people in danger. I also didnt get in any ones face and get shitty with them. I asked him in a normal voice from the drivers seat if that was the best use of of his time. LoL
The pipeline guy thought he was doing the right thing.
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Mark Reynolds
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@Dave, I'm not sure who to blame here. The crew for not being careful (or not being aware) or the company they work for (for not informing/educating the crew, as well as not making sure the crew was outfitted to address an issue if it were to (and did) arise. Please tell me it wasn't someone smoking.
Dave
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I don't know. I just heard the story from Joe who lives up there. I do know on the fire sign posted by BLM it says there is no smoking allowed outside of your vehicle. Fire danger is now on the extreme edge of extreme danger. Joe and I were both talking about filling our quad sprayers with water for just a few gallons of stand by water.
Back 10 days or so when I was hauling in hay. I had to move to the other side of the river. I got the first load on the trailer. It had just got dark I left the truck parked in the hay meadow. The next morning at the crack of dawn I pulled up into the stack yard and went to unloading. About half way through unloading I noticed that the truck in bone dry cheat grass that was up to the door. I about had a heart attack. Then I realized the truck never got warm driving a couple hundred feet. I changed the situation before getting a second load. For those who don't know dry cheat grass is like gasoline in the stem.
He wasted resources according to you. You should run for sheriff
chevytaHOE5674
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I've got a couple miles of transmission line and natural gas ROWs running across the farms. The local power company and gas company are a pleasure to deal with. The various contractors that come in are a major headache, they leave gates open/closed, cut fences, rut things up, you name it.
Last fall there was a tree trimming and mulching crew working back there. I flagged the fencelines, mulched them down to the dirt myself, and showed all the operators the gate was 30 feet down the line with a nice graveled road thru it. Instead they wrapped 3 strands of 1/4miles of wire around their mulcher and spent the better part of a day getting it unjammed and working again. Then they proceeded to do it to a 2nd fenceline the next day... the contractors went "oh we didn't know" after i flagged it, painted it, and showed them multiple times. The local power company came out paid me 2x my estimate to fix the fence then asked that contractor to pack their things and leave.
I think the combined IQs of that mulching crew was 12.
Last fall there was a tree trimming and mulching crew working back there. I flagged the fencelines, mulched them down to the dirt myself, and showed all the operators the gate was 30 feet down the line with a nice graveled road thru it. Instead they wrapped 3 strands of 1/4miles of wire around their mulcher and spent the better part of a day getting it unjammed and working again. Then they proceeded to do it to a 2nd fenceline the next day... the contractors went "oh we didn't know" after i flagged it, painted it, and showed them multiple times. The local power company came out paid me 2x my estimate to fix the fence then asked that contractor to pack their things and leave.
I think the combined IQs of that mulching crew was 12.
You should read the post.
I had a company that had multiple crews that worked for me for several years. One day the Forman came to me and asked if he could move some guys around. He knew I was particular about them. Baiscally, they were part of opposing gangs back in their home town of Alice. They couldnt be seen working togther.
They were good as gold out there. Hard workers.
A lot of big companies cant get away with that. They will hire a box rocks with no record. I will take the guys I had all day.
They were good as gold out there. Hard workers.
A lot of big companies cant get away with that. They will hire a box rocks with no record. I will take the guys I had all day.
TexasJerseyMilker
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". and a word to the wise. You go messing with crews.. who have nothing to lose.. bad things happen to you and your possessions. Those horses getting in that hay won't hold a candle to what can mysteriously start happening."
That's a fine damn thing.
That's a fine damn thing.
Mark Reynolds
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Hence the slang term for cheat grass: "gas grass"
Travlr
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I was building substations for awhile. Can't even say what state I was in at the time, but it was hard winter. I was in a bucket truck, setting insulators, and a young filly appears outside our gate, on the road. It's in bad shape. Unsteady on its feet. Ice caked on its hooves so I'm thinking it isn't getting proper circulation. I run it into a gate across the road and the boss starts to call around to see who might own the horse, and telling the people he talks to about where the horse is and its condition. It didn't take long before someone showed up, but by this time the horse was down. They backed a trailer up to it and got it standing, and into the trailer, and took off. We never said anything to each other but they seemed pretty concerned and in a hurry. Was it a good thing to corral that horse without knowing anything? I tend to think so.
Another time I was in heavy traffic on a 4 lane road and traffic was stopped. Someone said a horse had been hit. I could see up ahead enough to see some back legs sticking out from in front of a suburban. Another horse was running around with people trying to catch it. There was a bunch of people standing with me and I suggested we open a gate next to us into a small enclosure next to the road... if the horse started coming our way. And it did come our way. The people spread out between the stopped cars and created a funnel so the horse ran right into the open gate. Traffic started to move and when we came abreast of the horse that was down in the road someone was sitting on its head to keep it down. It was calm from what I could see. Later we found out a vet showed up and it was bruised but fine. Even the suburban seemed okay. Everyone was pretty lucky because traffic was pretty fast on that road.
Another time I was in heavy traffic on a 4 lane road and traffic was stopped. Someone said a horse had been hit. I could see up ahead enough to see some back legs sticking out from in front of a suburban. Another horse was running around with people trying to catch it. There was a bunch of people standing with me and I suggested we open a gate next to us into a small enclosure next to the road... if the horse started coming our way. And it did come our way. The people spread out between the stopped cars and created a funnel so the horse ran right into the open gate. Traffic started to move and when we came abreast of the horse that was down in the road someone was sitting on its head to keep it down. It was calm from what I could see. Later we found out a vet showed up and it was bruised but fine. Even the suburban seemed okay. Everyone was pretty lucky because traffic was pretty fast on that road.
