Thanks Everyone! A Little bit Joe, as well as the reds. But we like our Black Vegas calves and the plan was for him to be a long tenured herd sire here. All though dad probably would like a change, he says he knows what his calves are before they're born. What I ask and he says a solid black heifer and more times than not he's right. He teases me that I need to find a bull that will throw some bull calves all the time. I tease him right back that I'm looking for the right red blaze face bull and then he quiets down thinking he'll get docked to death with red & white calves :lol: .