Old Style vs Modern Herefords

[jhambley]

I didn't want to hijack the other thread but I wanted to post a few photos of some
"Old Style" Hereford Genetics (Hazlet/Turner Zato Heir) I was able to purchase. It's been my experience that moderate framed cows this wide topped and deep are hard to find. The one cow has full eye pigment and the other has 50%. The smaller one is frame 4 the other is a little larger. My ideal cow would be a frame 5.

My question is, can anyone tell me what other modern ranches I can visit to see these type of cows?

Thanks in advance for your assistance,

JH

 

[rocket2222]

Are you looking for something like this,

Nahh, this is one of those newer ones

 

[greenwillowhereford II]

Jerry, will the cow competing with the bull for mineral in the tub come close? And the heifer calf was sired by a Hazlett bull.

I like your cows.

Of course we know that Day Herefords of Roff, OK can show you 70 or 80 head of that type of cow. Flying G Ranch has a fair number in a polled package that will compete, but they have a couple more inches of leg.

BTW, Rocket, nice looking stock. Don't misunderstand me, I like many modern Herefords.

 

[jhambley]

Greenwillow your herd doesn't count as it's based on "old style" Hazlet genetics.
Rocket2222 is using those NEW Hereford genes he made in his basement over the past 15 years.

My point is...not all old genetics are dwarfs, with bad feet, no pigment, and cancer eye and some actually do have valuable traits we want and need today. Just where do you think those genes you used to build your MODERN Herefords came from?
Hereford breeders used to talk about "Breed Character". I think that concept is rarely discussed today. It has been willingly thrown out like the baby with the bath water. Hereford breed character has as many definitions as there are Hereford breeders today.

JH

 

[greenwillowhereford II]

Greenwillow your herd doesn't count as it's based on "old style" Hazlet genetics.
Rocket2222 is using those NEW Hereford genes he made in his basement over the past 15 years.

My point is...not all old genetics are dwarfs, with bad feet, no pigment, and cancer eye and some actually do have valuable traits we want and need today. Just where do you think those genes you used to build your MODERN Herefords came from?
Hereford breeders used to talk about "Breed Character". I think that concept is rarely discussed today. It has been willingly thrown out like the baby with the bath water. Hereford breed character has as many definitions as there are Hereford breeders today.

JH

Point well taken by the choir! :lol:

One minor clarification, my herd is a combination of Hazlett and Flying G genetics, with strong Felton influence coming through FG.

BTW, I still want to see a few full views of both your bulls on the boards.

 

[jhambley]

Greenwillow,

Photos of the Lents bull are posted at:
http://cattletoday.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36792&p=399676#p399661

 

[greenwillowhereford II]

Greenwillow,

Photos of the Lents bull are posted at:
http://cattletoday.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36792&p=399676#p399661

Thanks.

IMO, that kind of rear quarter never goes out of style, and is just as modern and relevant as ever. There are thousands of frame 6-7 or more cows that need nothing more than to be put to pasture with a Lents bull. I'm curious as to weaning weights and phenotype if you put him on some heavy milking Remitall cows for instance.

 

[Herefords.US]

I'm curious as to weaning weights and phenotype if you put him on some heavy milking Remitall cows for instance.

Whether you put an Anxiety 4th bull on a bunch of "unrelated" Herefords or a varied herd of mongrel cows of multiple breeds, you will see a significant genetic "jump" in the performance of his calves relative to his own performance. Hybrid vigor in its purest form.

An Anxiety 4th bull will also tend to stamp his calves with a phenotype that is much more similar than the cows to which he is bred.

George

 

[Elder Statesman]

My point is...not all old genetics are dwarfs, with bad feet, no pigment, and cancer eye and some actually do have valuable traits we want and need today. Just where do you think those genes you used to build your MODERN Herefords came from?
Hereford breeders used to talk about "Breed Character". I think that concept is rarely discussed today. It has been willingly thrown out like the baby with the bath water. Hereford breed character has as many definitions as there are Hereford breeders today.

JH

Exactly!! You nailed it on both points.

 

[greenwillowhereford II]

I'm curious as to weaning weights and phenotype if you put him on some heavy milking Remitall cows for instance.

Whether you put an Anxiety 4th bull on a bunch of "unrelated" Herefords or a varied herd of mongrel cows of multiple breeds, you will see a significant genetic "jump" in the performance of his calves relative to his own performance. Hybrid vigor in its purest form.

An Anxiety 4th bull will also tend to stamp his calves with a phenotype that is much more similar than the cows to which he is bred.

George

I agree.

 

[greenwillowhereford II]

Very poor quality photo, but rear quarter of Hazlett bull.