Old Hickory

[dt34715]

What are your thoughts on this bull!

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[Ebenezer]

Great terminal type bull with high carcass traits. Growth, milk and -$EN too much for me. But worse than that the dam was 3 YO when he was born and has no daughters (now 5 YO) to tell you how they might do. If numbers are correct he would add carcass weight to most breeds. Dam had/has 8 calves, 6 had SC data and only 3 were weighed or measured at yearling. So, guessing, 5 were culled prior to weaning? Don't know anything about the actual bull other than the ancestors and some of their traits. Opinion: not a lot to know to build on. But might be the greatest bull ever.

 

[frieghttrain]

Well if you think old hickory is extreme for those look at Manning 17831034 -56.35$EN,39milk, top one percent for ww and yw granted that will change but still. My :2cents: he's a pretty good bull.

 

[Ebenezer]

Well if you think old hickory is extreme for those look at Manning 17831034 -56.35$EN,39milk, top one percent for ww and yw granted that will change but still. My :2cents: he's a pretty good bull.

Be sure to sleep well tonight because I absolutely promise not to run the price up on either of the bull's semen sales against you. I don't own a feed truck.

 

[frieghttrain]

Well if you think old hickory is extreme for those look at Manning 17831034 -56.35$EN,39milk, top one percent for ww and yw granted that will change but still. My :2cents: he's a pretty good bull.

Be sure to sleep well tonight because I absolutely promise not to run the price up on either of the bull's semen sales against you. I don't own a feed truck.

I not saying that I would use him a matter of fact I don't like him :lol: but some people have the feed to keep an animal like that. Just curios what is a bull you recomend?

 

[Ebenezer]

Just curios what is a bull you recomend?

A few old AI bulls that most would poo-poo and home raised ones. But these fit here and might not fit there.

 

[Ky hills]

Just curios what is a bull you recomend?

A few old AI bulls that most would poo-poo and home raised ones. But these fit here and might not fit there.

I agree, I am sure that some of the older bulls are just as good if not better an than some of new big numbers bulls. I am seeing here that some of my home raised bulls seem to be having as good of calves as some of the AI bulls that I have used.
I think there are some really good AI bulls, I'm just not convinced that every one is as great as it's hype.

 

[frieghttrain]

Just curios what is a bull you recomend?

A few old AI bulls that most would poo-poo and home raised ones. But these fit here and might not fit there.

:clap: Very true can I have some names to look up? I won't poo poo them

 

[bse]

Question for the folks using the home raised bulls, are they stacked with your prefixes or bulls out of A I sires?

 

[R V]

Both, but I believe the closest AI bull currently is within 2 generations. The home raised bulls out of home raised bulls have the prefix of the herds where I purchased them. I am still using AI, but most of the bulls are out of the mainstream - older AI bulls, previous herd sires for another breeder or previous bulls that I raised or purchased. Hopefully, 10-15 years from now, most of the bulls in the pedigrees of the young cattle will have my prefix. If not, I will not have made the progress that I am hoping for. My primary forage is fescue and I don't creep feed my registered calves. I stopped 10+ years ago. (I will use them for my commercial calves if I can make a profit and I have extra resources. Unfortunately, that doesn't happen very often.)

Very few AI bulls are raised on fescue without creep, so my AI choices are limited. That doesn't make mine better, but I know they work for me and not the other way around. They should do the same for their owner - whether that is me or someone who purchased them from me.

Hopefully this new fescue test will help me select/avoid some AI and naturally breeding choices and speed up the process, but I think I will wait a couple of years to see how it is working in the commercial sector first.

 

[Ky hills]

Question for the folks using the home raised bulls, are they stacked with your prefixes or bulls out of A I sires?

Both, I am currently using a great grandson of SAV Bismarck, a grandson of Sitz Upward, and an unregistered Hereford bull out of registered parents. Most years, I do have some AI calves, and do keep some of the resulting bulls.

 

[Ebenezer]

Question for the folks using the home raised bulls, are they stacked with your prefixes or bulls out of A I sires?

One with heifers is a full bro/full sister mating from home raised animals and one cleaning up on cows is linebred and home raised with one outcross grand sire and one outcross great grand sire. We AI every 2 or 3 years to reinforce, make more or trial a few old bulls. We need some variation for repeat bull customers to be confident that they are not getting too inbred. But if an old bull has never been used here but has been researched in other herds I don't expect them to succeed until I see the calves and daughters. I know it is a gamble and will take the risk at my cost.