OCC Jet Stream

[Dap]

Anybody seen him or his calves? The Emblazon semen is a little too expensive for me as a commercial guy, so they recommended Jet Stream.

 

[badroute]

Dap, I dont know much about this bull and have never used any OCC genetics. When I look at their advertisement I see some of the most no-nonsense beef bulls in the industry. If I lived closer to Kansas I would definetly try some of their genetics. Actually I might try AI,ing some next spring to one of their bulls. I am very impressed with their program.

 

[Dana Kopp]

I was just thinking the same thing after looking at some of the Pharo Cattle Co bulls and some similar programs. In fact I was just looking at the OCC website earlier. The only thing that I am really not crazy about with the OCC bulls is the negative on the scrotal - I'd hate to lose the high fertility my herd has - but I REALLY like the build on those bulls and the cows they seem to be throwing. and I'm even further from Kansas than Badroute -

See p. 6 for a pic of him:

http://www.ohldecattle.com/assets/pdf/2 ... sale-3.pdf

 

[Jake]

I don't like Jet Stream one bit. Go with Homer or Hunter instead. Much better calves and a lot more fun to look at.

 

[badroute]

If you like the OCC bulls and what they have to offer take a peek at Conley Angus out of Missouri. I believe his ad is in the Angus Beef Bulletin. He uses OCC genetics and has some very good herd sires of his own. I'm not saying they're as good but they are along the same lines with the same philosophy.

 

[susie]

I also like the OCC kind of bull-- the problem is I only have a couple of cows, no tank and the only Ai guy around here is ABS--- do you guys have any recomendations for a bull 'like' the OCC bulls that ABS carries?
I think they have OCC Magnitude, but my AI guy doesn't have him---

In fact he dissed Angus saying they are bad-tempered and told me to go with a Simmental ( wanted a baldy calf outta my Hereford) He doesn't ever get any Red angus semen either.

Any suggestions?

Susie

 

[frenchie]

Any suggestions?

Susie

Any dairy farmers around there.Most of them will A.I on a regular basis( at least they do here).If you could get one of them to A.I for you, you could breed to what you wanted.

 

[cypressfarms]

In fact he dissed Angus saying they are bad-tempered and told me to go with a Simmental

Dissin angus??? What's wrong with this guy?

 

[aplusmnt]

Susie
Our local vet A.I's for us and he does not mind us bringing the semen in or having it shipped there. He holds it in his tank till we have him breed the cows for us. Something you might look into. To hold a few units of semen they might not care if you are using them to do the work also.

 

[Dana Kopp]

So does this guy not want to work? I doubt ABS would be pleased to hear one of their people is badmouthing probably the biggest money-making breed they have! To me it is a given that people dislike various breeds - that is obvious from nearly all posts. But to be in an job that you make your living off breeding I can't see being so closed minded. There are so many factors to look at when choosing a bull between the bull himself and the cows you are breeding to that to completely eliminate an entire breed because of such a stereotypical reason is ridiculous. Our vet AIs for us he does a lot of breeding so he buys what his customers request and charges per straw. You have to pry breed comments out of him, though if he knows of problems with a bull or his calves he will discuss his concerns with you.

 

[susie]

Well to be fair, I would say he strongly discouraged me breeding my cow to an Angus-- because we are a small farm and animals we have must be good-temperamented because we are always out there messing with them, rotating their pastures or whatever.
I'm sure I was a pain in the a$$ for him- newbie with just a coupla cows, got the semen catalog, calling him asking what bulls he has, what did he recomend, blah blah blah. Meanwhile he's working hard breeding all the cows around here having to hold my hand for just a couple of cow's worth of breeding... It worked out that only one took with the Ai, and the other got naturally bred by the Hereford bull up the road.
I think this year i will just ask him early spring to order semen on the bull I choose and just hold it for me until my cow's ready- make up my own mind. That's the hard part--

Ok just venting was feeling bad that I was making him out to be a bad guy when I probably was, like I said, a real bother to him


Susie

 

[Chuckie]

I went to a sale this past weekend and had my eye on a small framed heifer. She showed a 4.5 frame and the others in her lot were showing no less than 5's. She was a real nice looking heifer and I liked her bloodline and her numbers.
The people I was around started telling me about her frame score being too small. Of course these people show cattle. She didn't appear to be too small and I thought about the discussions we have here on the forum about small frames vs. large frames, so I thought I would take the plunge.
As soon as she came out, I could not understand a word the auctioneer was saying. He was a mumbling hummer. They usually start them out way above then drop back down to a decent price. I asked "Where is he?" About the time I figured out that he said "$1400, sold," it was too late. The auctioneer was really dragging them out and when he got to this one, he dropped the hammer in about 5 seconds. I would like to have brought her home. I did get two other heifers, but I still would like to have had her.

 

[cypressfarms]

Well to be fair, I would say he strongly discouraged me breeding my cow to an Angus-- because we are a small farm and animals we have must be good-temperamented because we are always out there messing with them, rotating their pastures or whatever.

Susie,venting or not, I would be suspicious of someone who give you advice like that or pushes something on you like that. Angus cattle are not wild cattle. Let me rephrase that. Any cow can be wild, I don't care what breed she is, but I don't think that angus is a breed which most people think of when naming wild cattle. I hope this guy's name never gets out, because he will get some major bashing. I feel it's all of our responsibility to promote beef, period. Some like angus, some like hereford, etc. But to badmouth angus, which is probably recognized by name more than any other breed in the U.S. (even my wife feels like she's doing something special when she buys steaks with an angus label) just doesn't sit well with me. i don't even have any pure angus, so I consider myself somewhat non-biased. I wonder what this guy's priorities are?

 

[susie]

I went to a sale this past weekend and had my eye on a small framed heifer. She showed a 4.5 frame and the others in her lot were showing no less than 5's. She was a real nice looking heifer and I liked her bloodline and her numbers.
The people I was around started telling me about her frame score being too small. Of course these people show cattle. She didn't appear to be too small and I thought about the discussions we have here on the forum about small frames vs. large frames, so I thought I would take the plunge.
As soon as she came out, I could not understand a word the auctioneer was saying. He was a mumbling hummer. They usually start them out way above then drop back down to a decent price. I asked "Where is he?" About the time I figured out that he said "$1400, sold," it was too late. The auctioneer was really dragging them out and when he got to this one, he dropped the hammer in about 5 seconds. I would like to have brought her home. I did get two other heifers, but I still would like to have had her.

i had sort of the same thing hapen last week-end. It was a big feeder cow sale, and there was this smaller Hereford cow with her little black baldy heifer calf-- Before the sale these people were sayng-- awww that calf will never get very big, look at the mama's size...
Well same sort a thing before I knew what was happening they sold for 710 dollars for the pair!!
The cow looked like she had a nice udder, not a real broken up looking thing, healthy appearing... kicking myself a little-- but hubby says there must've been a reason she was there--- but heck we paid 5 hundred something for our steer at 72 cents a pound :roll:


Susie

 

[Anonymous]

I agree with cypressfarms any kind can be wild. But if I can,t walk through my herd and scratch their tail heads then I don,t want them. Oh by the way all we raise are registered Angus. They are not wild because we have bred for easy temperment. ;-) ;-) ;-)

 

[msscamp]

I'm sure I was a pain in the a$$ for him- newbie with just a coupla cows, got the semen catalog, calling him asking what bulls he has, what did he recomend, blah blah blah. Meanwhile he's working hard breeding all the cows around here having to hold my hand for just a couple of cow's worth of breeding... It worked out that only one took with the Ai, and the other got naturally bred by the Hereford bull up the road. Susie

If I'm understanding this correctly (operative word being IF), isn't that his job? It shouldn't matter how many cows you have, he signed on as an AI tech and should not be allowing his own prejudices to interfere with the job he is being paid to do. Just my thoughts.

 

[Aero]

Icupit:
if you feel comfortable scratching all of you heifer's tailheads, i am impressed. seems like every young heifer loves to throw a sidekick out there every once in a while.

 

[ccc]

I've used several of the OCC bulls and their calves are good, but expect smaller mature sizes. The females out of his bulls are very good milkers but the reduced frame size stays with them for generations.