not doing so well :?:

[calf saver]

question:?: the farmers moved the cows to my side of the farm for calving, and since i am the one that checks them all througout the day, while i was out i noticed a calf that is in need of some help. after talking to the farmers i was told he was a calf from late in the fall of 06, and his mother dried up and he has been fending for himself, but they are not sure for how long. The farmers said they werent goin to be able to do much to help him but i could have him if i thought i could get him better. he is losing his hair, and is very very thin, and seems to have either gotten something in his eye, or has an infection. what causes loss of hair? how can it be treated, could this all be from malnutrition, could proper feed and vitamins fix him, and is this calf something i should take on. (i already have one that i brought back from death this year, i dont want the ill one in with the one i worked so hard to get healthy) I'm not the kind of girl that can just let a calf go without trying however funds could be a problem i need y'alls help i'm torn

 

[msscamp]

The loss of hair could be from malnutrition, or it could be from lice, scabies, or mites. The eye infection is probably malnutrition, but could also be pink-eye. Does the calf have any energy? If he does, you could probably nurse him back to health with some good feed, vitamins, and medical care. If you do decide to give it a go, I would caution you to go slow and easy because, with a calf in this kind of shape, too much is just as bad as too little.

 

[Vicky the vet]

If it looks as I described go to the vet and get some Banamine give him 10 cc of that. Give him 40 cc of la 200 and some probios to reestablish the good bugs turn him out and then pour the hay to him. On pinkeye cases I also draw up a syringe of Naxcel(Excenel) and take the needle out then I squirt the naxcel directly into the affected eye, that along with the LA-200 and Banamine to reduce the swelling usually clears it up within 24 hours and it doesnt come back usually that year.

10 cc of Banamine where? If you inject it into an animal that young, you're punching a hole in it's abomasum. Hmmmm.....not good. (hint: over 1/2 cc/100lbs can do that in some animals, especially thin or stressed ones) And a subconjunctival injection of that amount is near impossible.

And LA 200's dose is 5 cc/cwt, and toxic dose is 8 cc/cwt, so are you overdosing it at 40 cc? You can't discuss dosages without knowing the weight of the animal!!!!!

Msscamp has much better advice. Take it slow and easy with nutritional changes, figure out what's going on with the eye then decide on treatment. And taking a picture truly is worth a thousand words....

Good Luck,
V

 

[Alice]

calf savr,

We bought a heifer calf (somewhat younger than that at the time) from the sale barn some time back that sounds like the one you are talking about...thin, wormy, horrible coat, sores all over it. Only difference was that it didn't have pink eye/eye infection. And it was wild, wild, wild.

We got the calf in the chute...wormed her, gave her vitamin b complex, vitamin A,D&E, a dose of multimin, a dose of nuflor, and put mastitis medicine on her sores, and vaccinated her. We were gonna keep her in the calf runs (a place that had always been escape proof) with the other calf we bought at the same time so we could give them calf starter grower. The other calf got treated with the same meds, etc. the mangy lookin' one did, but she wasn't in nearly the awful looking shape.

When we turned them into the runs, they both cleared those fences and ran to the big pasture with the rest of the animals.

Bottom line...when we took her to the sale about 3 months later she looked wonderful! The guy that owns the sale barn wound up buying her for someone that was looking for a calf like that...he started her high to make sure he got her. She turned out to be one of the best purchases for resell that we'd ever made.

What we did when we got her was all we ever did for her, other than making sure she had feed as well as foraging the pasture. We decided that calves like that are survivors and that you couldn't kill one of them with a ball peen hammer.

Were it me, I'd take the calf in a heartbeat.

Alice

 

[Alan]

My vet tells me to give them 10 cc of banamine in their rump are you disputing something another vet said? If so that is very unprofessional to bad mouth other vets. Secondly I have never lost an animal from 10 cc of banamine LOL! 5cc twice a day for calves and 10cc twice a day for grown cattle.

Cowboy you hit a nerve! Back up and post your Veterinary dipolma, then you have the right to mouth off. I agree with Vicky the Vet 100%. By the way, Vets disagree all the time, that's why they call it Vet practice and not Vet perfect. Takes me back to the post "O.T. are people getting stupider?"

Calf saver you have got some very good advice so far, I'll add 2 things, before you take the calf, know you have enough funds to see this through. Also, call your vet and tell him/her the symptoms and get their advice and estimate on cost to save calf. I have a friend who got a free calf to save from another friend, 2 years and a couple thousand $ the stunted calf died.

JMO,
Alan

 

[3MR]

I meant to add earlier that you can give the banamine in the rump or in the neck. Either or when our bull got injured we gave it in the rump per the vets instruction. Due to bqa guidelines though you should give it in the neck. 5 cc twice per day for 1 day only on a calf should not hurt it. Least ive never lost one.

I wouldnt do 40 CC's of anything in one injection either. I think LA200 sucks so I dont know what the max dose is, but you really need to break up doses into about 5cc at a time. You can give them all at once, just not in the same spot.

Vickythevet - does that make sense?

cowboyup216 - Your saying your vet recomends the same dose of meds regardless of weight?

 

[ALACOWMAN]

LA 200 is a good all around antibotic. folks just tend to use it beyond it potentail. and cuss it when it dont work. this calf sound more like its got a pretty good parasite load probably real shaggy and trying too shed out. he might not needs much but some wormer a little anitbotics and some groceries.

 

[Vicky the vet]

My vet tells me to give them 10 cc of banamine in their rump are you disputing something another vet said? If so that is very unprofessional to bad mouth other vets. Secondly I have never lost an animal from 10 cc of banamine LOL! 5cc twice a day for calves and 10cc twice a day for grown cattle.

Well, to be honest, yes I am. You are massively overdosing the animals, can cause kidney failure and punch holes in the abomasum. And I'm not questioning them as much as you, as you are the one spouting the recommendations for the "one size fits all" dosages. Your vet hopefully is much more competant than you are making them appear.

Read the label sometime, and see what the dosage of flunixin actually is, and perhaps look at the possible side effects.

I'm done with this debate. Have a good day.

 

[Vicky the vet]

I wouldnt do 40 CC's of anything in one injection either. I think LA200 sucks so I dont know what the max dose is, but you really need to break up doses into about 5cc at a time. You can give them all at once, just not in the same spot.

Vickythevet - does that make sense?

Absolutely. More than 15 cc of anything slows absorption. I use 10 cc generally IM max, 15 cc if she's really witchy about injections to make a few less sites.....

 

[AngusLimoX]

Cowboy you hit a nerve!
Alan

Alan we got some of the same nerves.

cowboy216 - are you TTCLM?

You recommend ridiculous doses adminsistered in sites every competent cattleman knows should not be used, and at rates that I'd like to see you inject.

Then you mouth off at someone we all should be very happy takes the time to cruise through and comment once in a while. As a matter of fact the only reason I opened the thread was Vicky was last to post on it.

Lets just say everything isn't on the up and up with you cowboy16, not calling you a liar, just got my suspicions.

calf saver, if money is that tight, I'd take care of the one in hand, and not risk him unless you can keep em seperate. I know where Alice is coming from, but only you can assess your risk tolerance. That calf could have a lot of things.

 

[3MR]

LA 200 is a good all around antibotic. folks just tend to use it beyond it potentail. and cuss it when it dont work.

I guess I should qualify, that I think LA200 sucks, not oxytetracyclene. I think LA200 is way overpriced, the generic version is less than half the cost and has the same strength and dosage, just not sure what the max dose is. I think if you have an animal you think is going down hill fast or is allready there, you need to step right up to the big boys and not waste time or money on oxytetracyclene.

 

[ALACOWMAN]

LA 200 is a good all around antibotic. folks just tend to use it beyond it potentail. and cuss it when it dont work.

I guess I should qualify, that I think LA200 sucks, not oxytetracyclene. I think LA200 is way overpriced, the generic version is less than half the cost and has the same strength and dosage, just not sure what the max dose is. I think if you have an animal you think is going down hill fast or is allready there, you need to step right up to the big boys and not waste time or money on oxytetracyclene.

thats for sure use a hard hitter on em and knock it out. otherwise you are just prolonging their demize

 

[ROCKSPRINGS]

Cowboy you hit a nerve!
Alan

Alan we got some of the same nerves.

cowboy216 - are you TTCLM?

You recommend ridiculous doses adminsistered in sites every competent cattleman knows should not be used, and at rates that I'd like to see you inject.

Then you mouth off at someone we all should be very happy takes the time to cruise through and comment once in a while. As a matter of fact the only reason I opened the thread was Vicky was last to post on it.

Lets just say everything isn't on the up and up with you cowboy16, not calling you a liar, just got my suspicions.

calf saver, if money is that tight, I'd take care of the one in hand, and not risk him unless you can keep em seperate. I know where Alice is coming from, but only you can assess your risk tolerance. That calf could have a lot of things.

YES cowboy216 is TTCLM trying to sneak back on the board for the third or forth time now. He has allready made fun of Special Olympics and retarded people several times.

 

[calf saver]

hey you guys have really been great i am planning on gonig out to take a picture of him in a bit, and have decided that i have to at least try, i will call the vet in the morning and see what i can do for him he does have energy, just not an over abundance of it hes not as "wild" as the rest of them anyway when i take a picture ill try to get it online to see what you guys thinik of him and also if it werent for you guys my other calf mightn ot have made it thanks much i really appreciate y'all

 

[Herefordcross]

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject:

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AngusLimoX wrote:
Alan wrote:


Cowboy you hit a nerve!
Alan


Alan we got some of the same nerves.

cowboy216 - are you TTCLM?

You recommend ridiculous doses adminsistered in sites every competent cattleman knows should not be used, and at rates that I'd like to see you inject.

Then you mouth off at someone we all should be very happy takes the time to cruise through and comment once in a while. As a matter of fact the only reason I opened the thread was Vicky was last to post on it.

Lets just say everything isn't on the up and up with you cowboy16, not calling you a liar, just got my suspicions.

calf saver, if money is that tight, I'd take care of the one in hand, and not risk him unless you can keep em seperate. I know where Alice is coming from, but only you can assess your risk tolerance. That calf could have a lot of things.


YES cowboy216 is TTCLM trying to sneak back on the board for the third or forth time now. He has allready made fun of Special Olympics and retarded people several times

HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! I WOULD PAY TO KNOW WHO THIS GUY (TTCLM) REALLY IS, MAYBE HE COULD GO DEER HUNTING WITH US SOMETIME. :lol: :lol:

 

[Herefordcross]

He has allready made fun of Special Olympics and retarded people several times

That's because he didn't make it in the top three in the Special Olympic games. He's upset, and must be a lonely, bored out of his mind person to BS people on these boards all of the time.

 

[Herefordcross]

Master Cattle Producer? That's what I want to be when I grow up.

 

[Cowdirt]

cowboy216 - are you TTCLM?


AngusLimoX, you know the old saying, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck,.............

 

[AngusLimoX]

cowboy216 - are you TTCLM?


AngusLimoX, you know the old saying, "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck,.............

Well on the ole internet it is sometimes hard to get a handle on what folks are about, and we all have a certain "style" of typing.

I hate to see it when anyone gets censored, but it is outright malicious to give this kind of advice when good people are asking for help.

I used to enjoy some of his posts, but then he just goes offside, nothing humorous or playful about it, he just gets malicious. Maybe a medication thing.

 

[Herefordcross]

What's odd this go round is that, despite being poked and prodded he hasn't gone off on any of us yet. PErhaps he is on some medication of some sort. Tranquilizers? Muscle relaxers? Brain Relaxers? Who knows.