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<blockquote data-quote="Nkline" data-source="post: 1665721" data-attributes="member: 41001"><p>Yes it is possible to keep maternal traits and bulk up your calves. This is how you do it.</p><p></p><p>1. Select bulls from sires with 0.5 or lower dmi or if they are tested themselves try to keep them under 0.5, preferably 0 or less when used on heifers. Select for higher WW and YW while maintaining the low dmi. Look at your heifers as calves the ones that have a little fat by there tail heads as calves will make the easier fleshing cows( barring excessive milk output).</p><p></p><p>2. Try to best guess milk on bulls you are buying and udders, you may have to do some talking to figure this out, and bulls may not produce what is expected. If they don't you need to get rid of them.</p><p></p><p>3. Maintain 6.7 frame score YH epd around 0.8 should do this, feedlot buyers will be very interested in this size of animal. Packers have been slaughtering a lot of overly fat short animals, because feedlots want to make 1500lb+ fats. Frame score is highly correlated with growth, at one time the Angus association said it was more highly correlated than there growth epds (they have just hid that info now). </p><p></p><p>4. On selecting bulls to make heifers some commonly overlooked phenotypical traits include; heart girth/depth (more heart girth/depth will make much better looking cows plus it influences the size of the chuck having a large impact on carcass size), hip length (for obvious reasons, but it is seemingly overlooked), joint angles (overly straight front shoulders and hocks are too common), toes are worth a look too (ask if the feet have been trimmed).</p><p></p><p>You are in a very "hot" region for the purebred Angus industry, I wouldn't be afraid to travel if you need to to find a bull in a comfortable price range. AI does give people the ability to improve or screw up their herd at record speed. There are many overlooked bulls that will work better in a non-creep program than many top sellers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nkline, post: 1665721, member: 41001"] Yes it is possible to keep maternal traits and bulk up your calves. This is how you do it. 1. Select bulls from sires with 0.5 or lower dmi or if they are tested themselves try to keep them under 0.5, preferably 0 or less when used on heifers. Select for higher WW and YW while maintaining the low dmi. Look at your heifers as calves the ones that have a little fat by there tail heads as calves will make the easier fleshing cows( barring excessive milk output). 2. Try to best guess milk on bulls you are buying and udders, you may have to do some talking to figure this out, and bulls may not produce what is expected. If they don’t you need to get rid of them. 3. Maintain 6.7 frame score YH epd around 0.8 should do this, feedlot buyers will be very interested in this size of animal. Packers have been slaughtering a lot of overly fat short animals, because feedlots want to make 1500lb+ fats. Frame score is highly correlated with growth, at one time the Angus association said it was more highly correlated than there growth epds (they have just hid that info now). 4. On selecting bulls to make heifers some commonly overlooked phenotypical traits include; heart girth/depth (more heart girth/depth will make much better looking cows plus it influences the size of the chuck having a large impact on carcass size), hip length (for obvious reasons, but it is seemingly overlooked), joint angles (overly straight front shoulders and hocks are too common), toes are worth a look too (ask if the feet have been trimmed). You are in a very “hot” region for the purebred Angus industry, I wouldn’t be afraid to travel if you need to to find a bull in a comfortable price range. AI does give people the ability to improve or screw up their herd at record speed. There are many overlooked bulls that will work better in a non-creep program than many top sellers. [/QUOTE]
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