Noob issue

[MarkM]

Over the past eighteen months I have purchased registered animals from more than one seller. I am having problems getting papers transferred on these animals. I have several questions.

1) What is the accepted protocol for purchasing registered animals and getting the papers transferred? It seems to me that it is the sellers responsibility to transfer the papers. However, that can easily turn in to the situation I am in - papers not being transferred.

2) What should I do at this point? I have several animals from a purchase in Feb, 2012 and some animals from a couple of purchases since then. I have been in regular contact with these people and they continue to tell me that they will get things taken care of.

I tend to be a patient man but my patience has worn thin on this issue. I sent the seller from the oldest purchase date a registered letter today and will follow suit with the others. I guess the next step is to hire an attorney.

How should I handle these transactions in the future?

Each of these individuals seems to be a stand up guy. You would recognize the names of a couple if I mentioned them.

Color me increasingly pissed.

 

[J&D Cattle]

Can the breed association offer any assistance? I've only purchased registered bulls and the various sellers were very prompt.

 

[slick4591]

It's the seller's responsibility to transfer the papers and it should be done in a timely manner. If it keeps lingering on I would contact the registry to see if they could be of some help.

I have one situation where the lab tested the wrong sire on the DNA of one of my calves that I sold back in August. They had to rerun it to the right bull and I should finally get the papers back this week, only to turn around and send them back for the transfer. I tell you that because there may be times where it's not the breeder's fault.

 

[dun]

Contact the breed association and talk to them about it, that should stir the pot

 

[ousoonerfan22]

I see you're from SE Oklahoma we bought a bull from Kiamichi Link Ranch that's probably not that far from you and had the papers in the mail in 2-3 weeks.

 

[CKC1586]

Can the breed association offer any assistance? I've only purchased registered bulls and the various sellers were very prompt.

Often times THAT is the problem, not the breeder.....

 

[MarkM]

Thanks for the thoughts.

I will contact the registry if my letters don't get any action. I don't know if that will help but it is worth a try.

The disappointing part to me is that I enjoyed the relationship that was being built with each of these individuals through phone conversations and visits to their places. All seem like good guys with a wealth of knowledge to share. They all have more animals that I would be interested in, as well.

 

[slick4591]

Can the breed association offer any assistance? I've only purchased registered bulls and the various sellers were very prompt.

Often times THAT is the problem, not the breeder.....

:lol2:

 

[bse]

Don't know which association but the AAA I have sent blood tests have results in 18 days and transferred to me in 21 days. I know sometimes the blood test may take a little longer but since Feb 2012 is way out of line the association should be able to handle the problem. I don't think I would be buying any more from them, theres good cattle everywhere with folks that take care of business.

 

[Fire Sweep Ranch]

With the ASA (Simmental), papers are mailed within 48 hours of the transfer. I have gotten papers in the same week I bought. They are excellent at issuing papers quickly. I did have a problem with DNA'ing a calf once. The breeder I bought the embryos from had NOT typed the cow (I did not know that at the time I bought the embryos), so when I sent of the DNA on the calf to verify parentage, the entire process was held up. I called the Association, in which they shared with me that the breeder had a history of problems with submitting things in a timely manner. So I just got on the phone AND sent numerous emails until the breeder sent off the DNA on the cow. They got fined for not submitting her DNA BEFORE flushing and selling embryos. I got my papers. Another heifer we bought took 6 months to get papers on, but that was because the breeder owed the association money so they would not release the papers until the bill was paid. That is just bad business in my opinion!
Each association is different, but most will help in the process. It is very sad to hear that a breeder is doing this to you, makes all of us seed stock breeders look bad! I think you are on the right track by sending a certified letter. But it would not hurt to ALSO contact the registry and see if they can motivate the seller.

 

[MarkM]

Ok. I have contacted the AHA regarding the breeder that I have purchased the most animals from. Their local rep was nice enough to send the breeder an e-mail stating my issue and offering to help with the transfer process. No response from breeder.

I will now seek legal counsel.

My question is how do I pick this attorney? Do I need someone with experience specifically in cattle issues? I would prefer to hire someone skilled enough to resolve this issue as quickly as possible.

Does anyone have any referrals in the North Texas or Southeast Oklahoma area?

Once I initiate legal proceedings, I will be glad to share the name of this man to hopefully prevent others from experiencing my dilemma.

Thanks.

 

[slick4591]

My guess is jurisdiction would be from the state where you took possession of the animals. Not all attorneys are licensed to practice in both states, so start looking where you took possession. You may want to consider dollars because an attorney will probably run you more money than it's worth. Won't hurt to check, tho.

 

[backhoeboogie]

It also makes of difference as to which judge sees your case. Most prefer to deal with people they are familiar with. Bring in an out of area attorney and the other guy brings local, he's got an edge.

 

[Aaron]

Very simple solution. You contacted AHA, but not the higher-ups. Contact again and talk specifically to the General Manager and get the contact info for the heads on the board of directors. It is an offense within the Association to deliberately withhold the papers, with the very real possibility of expelling the breeder from the Association. This is not to be taken lightly by the AHA.

Let them know that if the situation is not rectified within say 1 month's time, you will be pursuing legal action against both the breeder and the AHA.

 

[MarkM]

Thanks guys,

Aaron, I will pursue your recommendations with the AHA.

BHB, good point, I will look for a local counsel.

and

slick, I purchased the animals at the man's farm but he graciously delivered the first batch to me, the others I hauled myself from his place. I will need to find out from an attorney which is considered to be where possession was taken. I understand your thoughts on an economic decision. However, there are 24 animals (principal), as well as principle, involved.