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<blockquote data-quote="novatech" data-source="post: 735643" data-attributes="member: 5494"><p>Clover needs nothing more than good soil contact. The rain is usually enough to get proper depth. I have seen some of the best stands planted directly onto heavily grazed pastures where most of the vegetation was grazed off. Broadcast on top and a toothed harrow pulled behind.</p><p>I have used a disc harrow to disturb the soil. Then planted on top running a packer behind with good results. Not a cultipacker but one with smooth wheels. I have used a cultipacker on undesturbed soils with good results.</p><p>Personally I cannot see how any planter would work for clover. 1/4 in. is the maximum depth that most of the seed will tolerate for germination. Unless your pasture is as smooth as a pool table you are bound to have a percentage to deep.</p><p>As far as rye is concerned I have had good stands planting it on top as well. Better stands disturbing the soil first then planting on top and tooth harrow in.</p><p>If you use verities that will reseed, and manage it so that it can do so, then planting is a one time event.</p><p>Given this you would never have to invest in equipment as expensive as a no-til. For that matter you could take the money you save and more than double the amount of seed per acre, and have the fertilizer co. mix the seed in with the fertilizer broadcasting both at the same time. </p><p>The shallow depth that clover is planted also means that moisture is a critical issue. You need several days of moisture for the plant to survive. First it has to have enough to germinate. Then it has to have enough to survive long enough to get a root down deep enough for survival. Rhizobium bacteria are very susceptible to heat and inoculant should be stored in a refrigerator until ready to plant. Inoculated seed should only be planted when soil contains sufficient moisture.</p><p></p><p>A good video; <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK2Rnbx13YU&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK2Rnbx1 ... re=related</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="novatech, post: 735643, member: 5494"] Clover needs nothing more than good soil contact. The rain is usually enough to get proper depth. I have seen some of the best stands planted directly onto heavily grazed pastures where most of the vegetation was grazed off. Broadcast on top and a toothed harrow pulled behind. I have used a disc harrow to disturb the soil. Then planted on top running a packer behind with good results. Not a cultipacker but one with smooth wheels. I have used a cultipacker on undesturbed soils with good results. Personally I cannot see how any planter would work for clover. 1/4 in. is the maximum depth that most of the seed will tolerate for germination. Unless your pasture is as smooth as a pool table you are bound to have a percentage to deep. As far as rye is concerned I have had good stands planting it on top as well. Better stands disturbing the soil first then planting on top and tooth harrow in. If you use verities that will reseed, and manage it so that it can do so, then planting is a one time event. Given this you would never have to invest in equipment as expensive as a no-til. For that matter you could take the money you save and more than double the amount of seed per acre, and have the fertilizer co. mix the seed in with the fertilizer broadcasting both at the same time. The shallow depth that clover is planted also means that moisture is a critical issue. You need several days of moisture for the plant to survive. First it has to have enough to germinate. Then it has to have enough to survive long enough to get a root down deep enough for survival. Rhizobium bacteria are very susceptible to heat and inoculant should be stored in a refrigerator until ready to plant. Inoculated seed should only be planted when soil contains sufficient moisture. A good video; [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK2Rnbx13YU&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK2Rnbx1 ... re=related[/url] [/QUOTE]
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