Newest Angus defect

[vclavin]

http://www.angus.org/pub/CA/CA_Summary.pdf

List of carriers, just found this .
Valerie

 

[vclavin]

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/as...ntractural-arachnodactyly-in-Angus-cattle.pdf

Good article on the syndrome and pics.

Valerie

 

[GRTiger85]

thats not new

 

[Brandonm22]

I like AI and ET but something is wrong when half of the Angus cows in Australia trace back to Freestate Barbara 871 of Kaf, a cow born in Indiana in 1978.

 

[vclavin]

thats not new

It's the latest therfore I called it new. The info is updated.
Valerie

 

[vclavin]

I like AI and ET but something is wrong when half of the Angus cows in Australia trace back to Freestate Barbara 871 of Kaf, a cow born in Indiana in 1978.

I have 2 cows that trace back to her and 3 daughters of those cows. Testing - again - here we come!
Valerie

 

[Betty]

Well, we were nearly wiped out as seedstock providers by AM and NH. Culled down to 10 cows. But, sadly we then used on those cows a son of Boyd on Target, today I see he's a CA bull.
I guess the forces of nature want me to sell meat.
We have 5 beautiful halter broke heifers bred right that were to be the start of our "build back up". Four of the 5 have some Bando somewhere.
I'm sick.
No commercial test available yet for CA, right?

 

[vclavin]

Well, we were nearly wiped out as seedstock providers by AM and NH. Culled down to 10 cows. But, sadly we then used on those cows a son of Boyd on Target, today I see he's a CA bull.
I guess the forces of nature want me to sell meat.
We have 5 beautiful halter broke heifers bred right that were to be the start of our "build back up". Four of the 5 have some Bando somewhere.
I'm sick.
No commercial test available yet for CA, right?

Yes, I believe you are right about the test. Soon I hope! I found the gentleman that has the mother to my possible carriers, praying that I only have one test to pay for and it comes back negative. I understand the defect is not very common and if you are like me, it's in the 7th or 8th generation. I'd say a really good chance of a neg test.
Valerie

 

[RD-Sam]

Well, we were nearly wiped out as seedstock providers by AM and NH. Culled down to 10 cows. But, sadly we then used on those cows a son of Boyd on Target, today I see he's a CA bull.
I guess the forces of nature want me to sell meat.
We have 5 beautiful halter broke heifers bred right that were to be the start of our "build back up". Four of the 5 have some Bando somewhere.
I'm sick.
No commercial test available yet for CA, right?

Yes, I believe you are right about the test. Soon I hope! I found the gentleman that has the mother to my possible carriers, praying that I only have one test to pay for and it comes back negative. I understand the defect is not very common and if you are like me, it's in the 7th or 8th generation. I'd say a really good chance of a neg test.
Valerie

Daughters sired by a carrier aren't 7 or 6 generations back. :???:

 

[RD-Sam]

Well, we were nearly wiped out as seedstock providers by AM and NH. Culled down to 10 cows. But, sadly we then used on those cows a son of Boyd on Target, today I see he's a CA bull.
I guess the forces of nature want me to sell meat.
We have 5 beautiful halter broke heifers bred right that were to be the start of our "build back up". Four of the 5 have some Bando somewhere.
I'm sick.
No commercial test available yet for CA, right?

These diseases have hit some harder than others, and even wiped out some folks. A little bit I learned when I got into this, stick to the older bulls that were heavily used with no rumors of defects. I came through this whole ordeal with only one potential carrier cow, and I broke my rule on her, On Target is her MGS.

There are three bulls that have been used heavily, 036, EXT, and 6807. There are no rumors of defects with these bulls, or faint rumors that so far have been false or unsubstantiated. You might consider using linebred sons of these bulls, or sons that have them close up in the pedigrees so that defects can be canceled out via breeding. 036 has been determined to be genetic defect free in Australia by breeding him to his daughters.

We aren't out of the woods yet, we still have dwarfism to go through, Itty Bitties, another defect similar to CA, and some other defects already listed on the AAA.

Good luck with the testing.

 

[Betty]

Our trouble is that we started only 16-18 yrs ago with the angus, and we were hoping for commercial success with selling show/seedstock with a small herd, so we concentrated on what was popular, hoping that saying, " She's a daughter of Bando 598" or "he's got Everelda Entense all over, top and bottom"-actually the trouble was Gar 1680, I guess, we had a TON of that-- was going to help us sell.
These affected sires were real popular where we live.

 

[RD-Sam]

Our trouble is that we started only 16-18 yrs ago with the angus, and we were hoping for commercial success with selling show/seedstock with a small herd, so we concentrated on what was popular, hoping that saying, " She's a daughter of Bando 598" or "he's got Everelda Entense all over, top and bottom" was going to help us sell.
These affected sires were real popular where we live.

You have to change with the times, now they are like a bad name. Your problem is trying to chase the show circuit and the fad of the moment, if you would have concentrated on quality cattle, you would be in the drivers seat for seed stock right now.

 

[vclavin]

Our trouble is that we started only 16-18 yrs ago with the angus, and we were hoping for commercial success with selling show/seedstock with a small herd, so we concentrated on what was popular, hoping that saying, " She's a daughter of Bando 598" or "he's got Everelda Entense all over, top and bottom" was going to help us sell.
These affected sires were real popular where we live.

You have to change with the times, now they are like a bad name. Your problem is trying to chase the show circuit and the fad of the moment, if you would have concentrated on quality cattle, you would be in the drivers seat for seed stock right now.

He's right. We stayed away from most of the "Popular" sires and only used those that matched up with each individual female. We did not use the negative epd sires (seems these are a lot of 1680's progeny) We also had/used the advice of our local beef specialist, Regional Angus director, and questioned the geneticist at the University of Missouri at Columbia, Mo. Use your resources - not just this board of "opinions" lol.
By the way, I see they hoppe for a commercial test in September - next month!!!!! Crossing my fingers ans adding a few prayers for you and your herd as well.
Valerie

 

[Julian]

We also had/used the advice of our local beef specialist, Regional Angus director, and questioned the geneticist at the University of Missouri

You've made me curious. Which non-popular sires did each one of these advisors recommend to you then?

 

[vclavin]

We also had/used the advice of our local beef specialist, Regional Angus director, and questioned the geneticist at the University of Missouri

You've made me curious. Which non-popular sires did each one of these advisors recommend to you then?

Sorry, I should have said we picked them to fit the individual animal and not because they were bought for umpteen bucks and $500 a straw! LOL
Valerie
PS around here Rito 6I6 is not used much, however, he has really great muscling and temperament. Too bad the SC is negative. I only use him on females with high SC EPD's

 

[dun]

We also had/used the advice of our local beef specialist, Regional Angus director, and questioned the geneticist at the University of Missouri

You've made me curious. Which non-popular sires did each one of these advisors recommend to you then?

Sorry, I should have said we picked them to fit the individual animal and not because they were bought for umpteen bucks and $500 a straw! LOL
Valerie
PS around here Rito 6I6 is not used much, however, he has really great muscling and temperament. Too bad the SC is negative. I only use him on females with high SC EPD's

KInd of funny about temperment. We used 6I6 on 2 cows a couple of years ago. Both had dandy bull calves, the calmest almost a PITA tame cow had the nuttiest wild calf we've ever had and the other cow that was alwasy a bit skittish raised a mellow lump that didn;t get excited about anything.