New Hampshire Shelter Requirement Question

[Al F]

Hi, i am just a couple of yrs into raising cattle...have a wonderful time raising seventeen beef animals. I own a place w a barn but recently placed six animals on a friends parcel...I planned on erecting a three sided and roofed shelter for them and got the permit today to erect it. Late this evening my friend got a call from a *concerned citizen* complaining to him that the animals were out in the cold unsheltered....it is true, cold today and yesterday w some snow ( one inch) and some rain....not exactly some Colorado blizzard, nevertheless the *concerned citizen* complained so it has me wondering what the dates for a required winter shelter is....i was told by a local dairy farmer that horses were nov 1st and for cows it is Nov 15.

Can anyone tell me what the facts are? As a follow up I will call up the state in the morning...but for peace of mind would like to know sooner. Thank you!

 

[Fire Sweep Ranch]

I guess that is a regional thing. Out here in Missouri there is no law that I know of for shelters. We have been on our place for over 5 years now, and still have no shelter or barn erected (we are finally getting a barn built, 40 x 100, in three weeks! Praise God!). We have horses (5) and cattle (30+).
I will watch with interest the replies.

 

[J&D Cattle]

Are you from Colorado or was that just an example? I'm from MO along with FSR above, no requirements here.

Welcome aboard.

 

[Al F]

well i called the state ag dept today and was told that indeed a shelter of some type...a 'run-in' is required...three sides w a roof....and it is a year round thing....but apparently it isn't pushed unless someone complains because a bunch of cattle people here don't even know about the rule.....anyways i already pulled the permit and will erect it today.....

 

[Flatbroke]

Wow!
Out here in Montana there are many herds that have no shelter at all but what God has provided for a windbreak.
I hope to get a three sided barn built for them next summer but as of now they only have a windbreak fence in the corral. :hat:

 

[Limomike]

I would be concerned about the concerned citizen.
:welcome:

 

[Al F]

i have since learned that two other people..a horse owner and another cow person got a complaint over the past few yrs too....it is always the people that present more problems than the animals....nevertheless, i already pulled the permit and started construction today....we are expecting very nice weather the next few days, so our concerned citizen should be able to find other things to do ....i erected the frame today...will do half the roof tomorrow and should be done between monday and wed

too late for me to move out west but happy to be making the best of things here

 

[JSCATTLE]

10 bucks says the only way u get the cows to use it is feed them in it . People need to mind their own business . I have about a acre of trees for a wind break . Our weather is nothing like yours though .

 

[Bigfoot]

This will be unpopular. Sorry. If someone has a farm with no natural windbreaks, or shade I think they should provide it. My cows head for a cedar thicket when it gets rough. My horses have nothing. I stall them on excessively cold, or rainy days.

 

[Workinonit Farm]

I would be inclined to ask the "concerned citizen" when the weather gets bad, where do all the deer,raccoons, rabbits, birds, squirrels etc go?

Katherine

 

[backhoeboogie]

I would be inclined to ask the "concerned citizen" when the weather gets bad, where do all the deer,raccoons, rabbits, birds, squirrels etc go?

Katherine

Heck I figured they were probably contractors themselves that erected steel buildings, linked to the mob and got friends who can pass laws.

 

[greybeard]

I would be inclined to ask the "concerned citizen" when the weather gets bad, where do all the deer,raccoons, rabbits, birds, squirrels etc go?

Katherine

They don't need it--cold weather coincides with hunting season--dead animals are supposed to be cold. ('cept the birds--they go south)

:hide:

 

[highgrit]

Good luck I am sure the cows will be happy. But why do you need a permit to build a livestock shed?? Is it on goverment land or what?

 

[ga.prime]

But why do you need a permit to build a livestock shed??

So it will be on the property tax roll.

 

[greybeard]

But why do you need a permit to build a livestock shed??

So it will be on the property tax roll.

In my county, ever structure built that is large enough for a human to enter and that has 3 or more walls and a roof--has to get a permit--AND, it gets it's own 911 address. Since 911 addresses here are also our mailing address, my dogpen, my shop, my run in hay storage barn, and the big barn in front, all get their own 911 addresses and a mailing address if I chose to notify the post office. Yep--my dog can get's it's own mailbox.
According to the permit office, this is so the 911 responders can find you on your property more quickly instead of having to search every building and out building. The only time I ever called 911, the officers couldn't even find the property, much less the house. Dispatch called back and said we needed to call the officer's cell ph and give him directions. We just drove out to the highway and flagged him down.

 

[dun]

Makes me wonder what happened to the state motto

 

[ga.prime]

The only time I ever called 911, the officers couldn't even find the property, much less the house. Dispatch called back and said we needed to call the officer's cell ph and give him directions. We just drove out to the highway and flagged him down.

That's the same way it works here. I've called 911 two or three times and every time the deputy or ambulance, whichever the case may be, gets lost and has to call me back at least twice to get directions to where I'm calling from. And that's with me having the only house on the whole length of the road.

 

[angie1]

i erected the frame today...will do half the roof tomorrow and should be done between monday and wed

I am glad to hear that you are getting it put up! Not only will you decrease your risk of respiratory illnesses, but I have observed that cattle in Mn rarely use shelter in the snow, and rarely choose shelter in the rain, but often choose shelter in the snow and rain. The decisions we make as individual cattle owners reflect on the industry as a whole, and it is only responsible to provide shelter to our animals in such inclement weather. A 3 sided shelter they can choose to enter or not is plenty sufficient. The wild animals argument is, and always has been, nonsense ~ we are not obligated to provide feed, water or health care for wild animals much less shelter. In Mn, shelter is a requirement.

Welcome to CT!

 

[Galloways1]

i erected the frame today...will do half the roof tomorrow and should be done between monday and wed

I am glad to hear that you are getting it put up! Not only will you decrease your risk of respiratory illnesses, but I have observed that cattle in Mn rarely use shelter in the snow, and rarely choose shelter in the rain, but often choose shelter in the snow and rain. The decisions we make as individual cattle owners reflect on the industry as a whole, and it is only responsible to provide shelter to our animals in such inclement weather. A 3 sided shelter they can choose to enter or not is plenty sufficient. The wild animals argument is, and always has been, nonsense ~ we are not obligated to provide feed, water or health care for wild animals much less shelter. In Mn, shelter is a requirement.

Welcome to CT!

In the case of respiratory illness, a 3 sided shelter is OK. A four sided shelter will INCREASE respiratory problems, due to cattle getting too warm and then chilled when they leave to feed.

I do not agree that the wild animal issue is nonsense. We humans have just created animals that can't withstand normal conditions.

Yes, it is our responsibility to care for them, but being forced to care for OUR animals the way OTHERS see fit is assinine.

Glad I live in a state where common sense typically wins out.

We just defeated an animal cruelty measure being pushed by PETA. Not that we don't think animal cruelty is wrong, it is that we want OUR legistlature to determine OUR law, not outside interests.

Common sense approach rather than an uninformed feel good approach.

 

[angie1]

i erected the frame today...will do half the roof tomorrow and should be done between monday and wed

I am glad to hear that you are getting it put up! Not only will you decrease your risk of respiratory illnesses, but I have observed that cattle in Mn rarely use shelter in the snow, and rarely choose shelter in the rain, but often choose shelter in the snow and rain. The decisions we make as individual cattle owners reflect on the industry as a whole, and it is only responsible to provide shelter to our animals in such inclement weather. A 3 sided shelter they can choose to enter or not is plenty sufficient. The wild animals argument is, and always has been, nonsense ~ we are not obligated to provide feed, water or health care for wild animals much less shelter. In Mn, shelter is a requirement.

Welcome to CT!

In the case of respiratory illness, a 3 sided shelter is OK. A four sided shelter will INCREASE respiratory problems, due to cattle getting too warm and then chilled when they leave to feed.
Correct, I agree with you. I believe I stated as much.

I do not agree that the wild animal issue is nonsense. We humans have just created animals that can't withstand normal conditions.
Right. "We humans have created" and as such we now have a responsibility to them.

Yes, it is our responsibility to care for them, but being forced to care for OUR animals the way OTHERS see fit is assinine.
Having no shelter for animals left to stand in snow and rain mix is assinine.

Glad I live in a state where common sense typically wins out.
I am guessing your state has animal welfare laws. These laws also govern people who lack common sense ~ like drinking and driving laws or child car seat laws. For the majority, it is a no brainer.

We just defeated an animal cruelty measure being pushed by PETA. Not that we don't think animal cruelty is wrong, it is that we want OUR legistlature to determine OUR law, not outside interests.
Bravo. That is as it should be.

Common sense approach rather than an uninformed feel good approach.
I agree with you again. Providing shelter to animals standing out in snow and rain is/should be common sense.