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<blockquote data-quote="Ky hills" data-source="post: 1830071" data-attributes="member: 24816"><p>[USER=40418]@simme[/USER] not Travlr but Around here, even though it has changed and a lot of herds are predominantly black cattle, but still a lot of very mixed breed herds some Angus, Herefords, BWF, Charolais and all kinds of Charolais crosses, and a sometimes a few of a lot of other things. </p><p>In my opinion the best way to move toward uniform calves from a herd like that is to use purebred bulls.</p><p>I'm not going as far as to say that there aren't situations in which a SimAngus or other crossbred bull wouldn't be ok. </p><p>My understanding is that heterosis is best achieved to the most benefit with an initial 2 way or F1 cross then a 3way cross for the next generation. </p><p>Such as F1 Angus Hereford cross with the next generation sired by Charolais bulls, or F1 Hereford x Brahman with the next generation bred to Angus bulls.</p><p>I can see a situation of a fairly uniform group of Angus cows and using a SimAngus bull on them.</p><p>In my herd we have mostly Hereford, Hereford x Angus, Angus type cows.</p><p>I prefer purebred bulls of a different breed than all or a majority of the cows to benefit from hybrid vigor.</p><p>I prefer a purebred Simmental to a SimAngus to achieve that because they are an outcross breed for my herd, </p><p>I not saying that SimAngus won't sire good calves but I don't see crosses working the best in every herd.</p><p>I'm currently using a 3/4 Angus 1/4 Hereford bull. Home raised he was a good individual and cheap because I didn't have to buy him and just kept him on hand in case something went wrong and we needed a replacement to step in for one of our registered bulls.</p><p>He sires calves more consistent in phenotype than one might think, but with mixed cows there is some variation, outside of color. </p><p>I would never buy a crossbred bull like him whether it be F1 BWF, SimAngus, Limflex etc. </p><p>If I had all reliably straight bred Angus or Hereford cows in other words cows of one breed, then I may have a different view of purchasing SimAngus.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ky hills, post: 1830071, member: 24816"] [USER=40418]@simme[/USER] not Travlr but Around here, even though it has changed and a lot of herds are predominantly black cattle, but still a lot of very mixed breed herds some Angus, Herefords, BWF, Charolais and all kinds of Charolais crosses, and a sometimes a few of a lot of other things. In my opinion the best way to move toward uniform calves from a herd like that is to use purebred bulls. I’m not going as far as to say that there aren’t situations in which a SimAngus or other crossbred bull wouldn’t be ok. My understanding is that heterosis is best achieved to the most benefit with an initial 2 way or F1 cross then a 3way cross for the next generation. Such as F1 Angus Hereford cross with the next generation sired by Charolais bulls, or F1 Hereford x Brahman with the next generation bred to Angus bulls. I can see a situation of a fairly uniform group of Angus cows and using a SimAngus bull on them. In my herd we have mostly Hereford, Hereford x Angus, Angus type cows. I prefer purebred bulls of a different breed than all or a majority of the cows to benefit from hybrid vigor. I prefer a purebred Simmental to a SimAngus to achieve that because they are an outcross breed for my herd, I not saying that SimAngus won’t sire good calves but I don’t see crosses working the best in every herd. I’m currently using a 3/4 Angus 1/4 Hereford bull. Home raised he was a good individual and cheap because I didn’t have to buy him and just kept him on hand in case something went wrong and we needed a replacement to step in for one of our registered bulls. He sires calves more consistent in phenotype than one might think, but with mixed cows there is some variation, outside of color. I would never buy a crossbred bull like him whether it be F1 BWF, SimAngus, Limflex etc. If I had all reliably straight bred Angus or Hereford cows in other words cows of one breed, then I may have a different view of purchasing SimAngus. [/QUOTE]
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