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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymous" data-source="post: 124727"><p>Well, the gun is not the best tool to use for Sub Q work unless you are experienced.</p><p></p><p>For Intra Muscular - point it at the neck - they will show you where if you ask and ram it home - squeeze the trigger and back out. Check the needle for bending and change if required.</p><p></p><p>For Sub Q - and a newbie - I recomment the following technique - from a previous post:</p><p>_____________________________________________</p><p></p><p>Alright - my turn at being a nice guy - Caustic don't you dare tell anyone what I am really like! </p><p></p><p>Let's go to the start. </p><p></p><p>Sub Q injections in the neck - 7 way. I use it all the time. </p><p></p><p>Fresh needle on a regular basis - keeps the point sharp and prevents dragging in hair and dirt. Also prevents passing certain little germs from one animal to another. These are the biggest causes of problems in my opinion. </p><p></p><p>When you stick the animal in the neck, do not "tent" the skin. </p><p></p><p>Smack the needle area a couple of times hard with the back of your hand - numbs the sight and prevents them from jumping around. </p><p></p><p>Point the needle directly towards the ground - holding it like you are about to stab something with a knife in your fist - run your hand out and into the side of the animals neck and stab downward - almost parallel to the neck surface. Needle goes in under the skin and does not enter the meat. Ram the vaccine home with your thumb - unless you are using a gun which I doubt. That's another story. </p><p></p><p>Needle length should not exceed one inch - prevents bending and breakage. Stainless steel only please - stronger needle - but can be brittle. Plenty long enough to do the job. </p><p></p><p>Wife timed me doing a few animals a couple of days ago - ran em in the chute - did not bother to put them individually into the squeeze - stacked em tight and walked down the line hitting them as fast as the girls could supply me with needles - averaged about 8 - 10 seconds per injection. No lumps and no problems. </p><p></p><p>Tenting sometimes causes you to prick the skin on the opposite side of the needle entry point and that not only causes additional irritation, but can cause difficulties when the needle partially enters that same piece of skin and the exit hole of the needle is blocked - I suspect this has happened to at least a few folks from time to time. </p><p></p><p>We never get lumps from needling when I use this method. Not ever. </p><p></p><p>Whenever you see an animal in the field with a lump and you are concerned - run it into a squeeze and take the largest bore needle you have on site - and you should always have them - and stick it into the site. Just the needle - no syringe attached. Grab the lump and squeeze the heck out of it with said needle still in place. If nothing comes out fine - we will deal with that in a minute - if something comes out - grab a scalpel - and slice it open - on the bottom side - so it can drain. Squeeze the heck out of it. </p><p></p><p>If it is solid - cut from top to bottom - straight down through the middle of this lump and remove the "jelly" you will likely find. If you are so inclined you can give it a stitch or two when you are done. </p><p></p><p>Be aware the animal will resist this treatment - so just get on with it. </p><p></p><p>In almost all cases you should disinfect the site, spray on some type of fly repellant and so on. </p><p></p><p>Turn it out and forget about it - they heal nicely if left alone. </p><p></p><p>But, like others have said - if it was my animal I would find something more important to worry about - especially if the animal did not seem to be in any distress. It is usually nothing worth getting wrapped around the axles about. </p><p></p><p>Did I miss anything fellow readers? </p><p></p><p>Regards, </p><p></p><p>Bez</p><p>___________________________________________</p><p></p><p>mtgrl2005</p><p></p><p>Do not let those folks push you around - do the job in your own time - if they do not like it they can do it themselves. EVERYONE has to start at the same place - knowing nothing!</p><p></p><p>So do not be timid in the chutes area - keep your head up - watch the hands if the animals are "hard back and forth when caught" - the catcher should be able to help you - if he's a decent catcher. </p><p></p><p>When they go down in the chute - lower yourself to that height and continue doing what you would do if they were standing - it is here you have to be careful - if they jump up you can get a hand caught - just be ready.</p><p></p><p>Do not vaccinate yourself - do not laugh - I HAVE!</p><p></p><p>When you use the gun for Sub Q - if you are - shall we say - vertically challenged - stand on a milk crate.</p><p></p><p>Point the gun directly down with the trigger turned to one side - the side that is easiest for you to pull - and simply stab down and parallel to the side of the neck - anyone tells you that you have to tent - well, they have not done many animals.</p><p></p><p>In my opinion a very large syringe with multiple doses is as good and probably better than a gun for Sub Q work. Tell them to get you one or two of them and follow my above post.</p><p></p><p>Finally, if the gun does not work correctly on EVERY shot - then replace or refuse to use - dangerous to you and the animal - too much / too little vaccine and certainly you do not want to miss any.</p><p></p><p>Do not use a needle over one inch long - they tend to bend and break.</p><p></p><p>Sorry to be so long - take what you can get from this and just do your best. If it is not good enough for the crew - well, I know what I would do - but I do not know you or your sitauation.</p><p></p><p>HecK I will say it anyways - Tell them to get stuffed and walk off. </p><p></p><p>My best regards,</p><p></p><p>Bez'</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 124727"] Well, the gun is not the best tool to use for Sub Q work unless you are experienced. For Intra Muscular - point it at the neck - they will show you where if you ask and ram it home - squeeze the trigger and back out. Check the needle for bending and change if required. For Sub Q - and a newbie - I recomment the following technique - from a previous post: _____________________________________________ Alright - my turn at being a nice guy - Caustic don't you dare tell anyone what I am really like! Let's go to the start. Sub Q injections in the neck - 7 way. I use it all the time. Fresh needle on a regular basis - keeps the point sharp and prevents dragging in hair and dirt. Also prevents passing certain little germs from one animal to another. These are the biggest causes of problems in my opinion. When you stick the animal in the neck, do not "tent" the skin. Smack the needle area a couple of times hard with the back of your hand - numbs the sight and prevents them from jumping around. Point the needle directly towards the ground - holding it like you are about to stab something with a knife in your fist - run your hand out and into the side of the animals neck and stab downward - almost parallel to the neck surface. Needle goes in under the skin and does not enter the meat. Ram the vaccine home with your thumb - unless you are using a gun which I doubt. That's another story. Needle length should not exceed one inch - prevents bending and breakage. Stainless steel only please - stronger needle - but can be brittle. Plenty long enough to do the job. Wife timed me doing a few animals a couple of days ago - ran em in the chute - did not bother to put them individually into the squeeze - stacked em tight and walked down the line hitting them as fast as the girls could supply me with needles - averaged about 8 - 10 seconds per injection. No lumps and no problems. Tenting sometimes causes you to prick the skin on the opposite side of the needle entry point and that not only causes additional irritation, but can cause difficulties when the needle partially enters that same piece of skin and the exit hole of the needle is blocked - I suspect this has happened to at least a few folks from time to time. We never get lumps from needling when I use this method. Not ever. Whenever you see an animal in the field with a lump and you are concerned - run it into a squeeze and take the largest bore needle you have on site - and you should always have them - and stick it into the site. Just the needle - no syringe attached. Grab the lump and squeeze the heck out of it with said needle still in place. If nothing comes out fine - we will deal with that in a minute - if something comes out - grab a scalpel - and slice it open - on the bottom side - so it can drain. Squeeze the heck out of it. If it is solid - cut from top to bottom - straight down through the middle of this lump and remove the "jelly" you will likely find. If you are so inclined you can give it a stitch or two when you are done. Be aware the animal will resist this treatment - so just get on with it. In almost all cases you should disinfect the site, spray on some type of fly repellant and so on. Turn it out and forget about it - they heal nicely if left alone. But, like others have said - if it was my animal I would find something more important to worry about - especially if the animal did not seem to be in any distress. It is usually nothing worth getting wrapped around the axles about. Did I miss anything fellow readers? Regards, Bez ___________________________________________ mtgrl2005 Do not let those folks push you around - do the job in your own time - if they do not like it they can do it themselves. EVERYONE has to start at the same place - knowing nothing! So do not be timid in the chutes area - keep your head up - watch the hands if the animals are "hard back and forth when caught" - the catcher should be able to help you - if he's a decent catcher. When they go down in the chute - lower yourself to that height and continue doing what you would do if they were standing - it is here you have to be careful - if they jump up you can get a hand caught - just be ready. Do not vaccinate yourself - do not laugh - I HAVE! When you use the gun for Sub Q - if you are - shall we say - vertically challenged - stand on a milk crate. Point the gun directly down with the trigger turned to one side - the side that is easiest for you to pull - and simply stab down and parallel to the side of the neck - anyone tells you that you have to tent - well, they have not done many animals. In my opinion a very large syringe with multiple doses is as good and probably better than a gun for Sub Q work. Tell them to get you one or two of them and follow my above post. Finally, if the gun does not work correctly on EVERY shot - then replace or refuse to use - dangerous to you and the animal - too much / too little vaccine and certainly you do not want to miss any. Do not use a needle over one inch long - they tend to bend and break. Sorry to be so long - take what you can get from this and just do your best. If it is not good enough for the crew - well, I know what I would do - but I do not know you or your sitauation. HecK I will say it anyways - Tell them to get stuffed and walk off. My best regards, Bez' [/QUOTE]
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