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<blockquote data-quote="MF135" data-source="post: 858839" data-attributes="member: 14057"><p>THE POST DATE WAS IN MAY: </p><p></p><p>3 WAY, If you'll remember we purchased 2 Gelbvieh bulls from Markes. I bought the Lieutenant Gov son, AMGV1115744, which I have been extremely pleased with and my grandpa bought the Diamond Fortune ET S46 son who's out of an Ozz Hollis cow. Your remarks about my bull: I am in no way bashing the Gelbvieh breed. I have 11 calves on the ground from 1115744. The only problem is 9 of em are bulls. Next spring I will get to see a nice contempory group as he's serviced 35 brangus cows and 5 red angus this summer. </p><p>Luckily only 4 of my gpas were bred to the Diamond Fortune son last summer. We bought the bulls last July (2010) and the rest of his cows were already bred. I would have never let the DF bull with my heifers. NOTICE The Gelbvieh bull I bought has a CE of of 113. The group I am asking about in the topic were heifers we just weaned that had been on their moms. None should have been old enough to breed but I wanted to give em the lute as a preventative. </p><p></p><p>We have already sold the Angus bull 1) because of the drought and 2) we only purchased him to breed the 15 heifers as my gpas now runnning my Charolais M786658 on his mature cows. He is the best looking bull I've ever owned. Im not sure where you get off thinking the Angus bull wasn't calving ease. He had an act BW of 73lbs, his sire had a negative BW epd with over .9 accuracy as well as his grandsire. He was linebred N Bar 5522. These are low birthweight genetics. That being said I didn't just go by epds. When we went to buy the Angus, he was in the pasture with 30+ first calf heifers with calves at side that he sired. They were all small/moderate framed calves with low 70lb bws as recorded by 4G. It wasn't that his EPDs were acceptable, it was the he was PROVEN. </p><p></p><p>I grew up working char x brahman, hereford x brahman, and the likes. The Docility EPD of angus is a joke and I personally would never make a selection based on that. I am a huge believer in nuture over nature. We sold the bull end of July as he had serviced the yearling heifers and we had no other use for him. Someone should attach the video of him following me into the trailer with a feed bucket to his docility EPD. I would not have purchased this bull for the long haul or as a herd bull but he was an acceptable solution to our problem: 15- 14month old heifers that needed to be bred. </p><p></p><p>Out of the 45 I run and the 60+ head my grandpa runs, we assisted/pulled 7 calves. 4 were out of DF, 2 out of the a Brangus bull, and 1 out of the Gelbvieh I purchased. The one was breach and upside down. Not exactly what I would call "all these problems". I made the TMW comment once on one particular animal. "Keep harping" would insinuate multiple comments, multiple times. As many have told you, TMW in the states will get you docked severly. Both in the showring and at the salebarn. Im a huge fan of your cattle evalution skills, heck I drink yours and doc harris' words for breakfast. I'd like to see better udders on some of the cows you posted, but phenotypically, they're as good as any Ive seen.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MF135, post: 858839, member: 14057"] THE POST DATE WAS IN MAY: 3 WAY, If you'll remember we purchased 2 Gelbvieh bulls from Markes. I bought the Lieutenant Gov son, AMGV1115744, which I have been extremely pleased with and my grandpa bought the Diamond Fortune ET S46 son who's out of an Ozz Hollis cow. Your remarks about my bull: I am in no way bashing the Gelbvieh breed. I have 11 calves on the ground from 1115744. The only problem is 9 of em are bulls. Next spring I will get to see a nice contempory group as he's serviced 35 brangus cows and 5 red angus this summer. Luckily only 4 of my gpas were bred to the Diamond Fortune son last summer. We bought the bulls last July (2010) and the rest of his cows were already bred. I would have never let the DF bull with my heifers. NOTICE The Gelbvieh bull I bought has a CE of of 113. The group I am asking about in the topic were heifers we just weaned that had been on their moms. None should have been old enough to breed but I wanted to give em the lute as a preventative. We have already sold the Angus bull 1) because of the drought and 2) we only purchased him to breed the 15 heifers as my gpas now runnning my Charolais M786658 on his mature cows. He is the best looking bull I've ever owned. Im not sure where you get off thinking the Angus bull wasn't calving ease. He had an act BW of 73lbs, his sire had a negative BW epd with over .9 accuracy as well as his grandsire. He was linebred N Bar 5522. These are low birthweight genetics. That being said I didn't just go by epds. When we went to buy the Angus, he was in the pasture with 30+ first calf heifers with calves at side that he sired. They were all small/moderate framed calves with low 70lb bws as recorded by 4G. It wasn't that his EPDs were acceptable, it was the he was PROVEN. I grew up working char x brahman, hereford x brahman, and the likes. The Docility EPD of angus is a joke and I personally would never make a selection based on that. I am a huge believer in nuture over nature. We sold the bull end of July as he had serviced the yearling heifers and we had no other use for him. Someone should attach the video of him following me into the trailer with a feed bucket to his docility EPD. I would not have purchased this bull for the long haul or as a herd bull but he was an acceptable solution to our problem: 15- 14month old heifers that needed to be bred. Out of the 45 I run and the 60+ head my grandpa runs, we assisted/pulled 7 calves. 4 were out of DF, 2 out of the a Brangus bull, and 1 out of the Gelbvieh I purchased. The one was breach and upside down. Not exactly what I would call "all these problems". I made the TMW comment once on one particular animal. "Keep harping" would insinuate multiple comments, multiple times. As many have told you, TMW in the states will get you docked severly. Both in the showring and at the salebarn. Im a huge fan of your cattle evalution skills, heck I drink yours and doc harris' words for breakfast. I'd like to see better udders on some of the cows you posted, but phenotypically, they're as good as any Ive seen. [/QUOTE]
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