Luing

grassfarmer":31i2hdbt said:
I know a bit about the breed - I'm the owner of the cattle and the website http://www.luingcattle.com! I would be happy to answer any questions you have on Luings.

Interesting. I always enjoy learning about the not-so-popular breeds. I have a couple of questions:

How much of a Luing is Shorthorn and how much is Highland? Can it vary, or is it pretty much set in stone?

It seems like a breed well suited to rough, cold climates. How well would it do in a more moderate climate where good grass is plentiful like the central US? How about hot, humid areas like the US gulf coast?

One website I looked at emphasized the Sim-Luing cross. How well would they cross with Hereford or Angus? Would there be certain crosses you would not recommend? Thanks in advance.
 
The Luing is 75% shorthorn 25% Highland. The breed was established through a linebreeding program based on these percentages so they don't vary. Having said that in Canada we have an upgrading register where a 7/8ths female or 15/16ths male is considered purebred. We are currently upgrading quite a few from a commercial Red Angus base. Note I said commercial Red Angus base - I haven't seen purebred Red Angus here that would help our breed, In my opinion they are mostly too big, grainfed and with little foraging ability.
The right type of red Angus cow is fairly complimentary to the Luing. As for other crosses - the Simmental x Luing is popular in Scotland because they want a big, very milky cow to justify the cost of keeping her indoors over winter in that wet climate. 50% Luing, 25% Horned Hereford and 25% Simmental was a cross used in the 1970s in Canada which seemed to work well. They would be too big for my operation where I want a low maintanence forager. One cross I wouldn't recommend is back to a Galloway or Highland. You finish up with hair and not much else.
The haircoat certainly suits cooler climates but these cattle do shed their winter coats easily and most are as slick as Angus in summer. A Dr Hopkins of Oxford, Mississippi ran Luings for 20 years - cattle that came from Canada and he bred them to Brahma type cattle to suit the climate. I would think they would do very well in central US states.

The Luing breed is, and always has been, selected for functional efficiency with fertility, longevity and foraging efficiency it's most important traits. I have one cow coming 21 years old this year and two coming 20 years old!
 
Grassfarmer have I got a Red Angus bull for you-he was the highgaining bull at Dylan Biggs grass bull test 12 years ago-yes children Kit Pharo didn't invent the grass test wheel he just rolled it south from Canada lol. He is 13 now and still keeps fat as a tick on nothing but hay. We did put up some semen on him a few years back-the vet marvels every year at the semen quality he produces for a bull that age.
 
grassfarmer could you please tell us a bit about Snowlanders and their addition to the Luing breed..always thought it was amazing how they were developed.
 
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There he is grassfarmer-I'd sure buy some Luing cross heifers off him from you. Maybe there's a new 'British Invasion' coming after all.
 
Northern Rancher":3mj4penw said:
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There he is grassfarmer-I'd sure buy some Luing cross heifers off him from you. Maybe there's a new 'British Invasion' coming after all.
Northern Rancher-

Perchance do you have a straight-on photo and a rear view of this bull? Who is his sire, if he is at least 50% Red Angus? What is his scrotal circumference?

DOC HARRIS
 
No I don't have another pic-he's 11 years old in that picture-healing up after a bull fight down at my nephews-I think he's 40 or 42 cms for scrotal circumferance. As you can see he's got a leg camped under him a bit from the fight but trust me he was a meat machine in his prime. He is a Bieber Chiefdom 3080 son out of a VC 105 daughter-she was sweet little red angus cow perfect uddered and a great set of feet. Remember most bulls don't live to get a photo op at that age lol. He's a purebred Red Angus bull.
 
Sorry Northern Rancher we don't have enough Luing females in the country to be using them for crossbreeding. A breeder in BC has already sold all his surplus 2007 heifer calves - and they aren't born yet!
Frenchie, the Snowlanders are indeed an interesting story. A rancher by the name of Charlie Flick developed them at Edgewood, British Columbia starting around 1930. He bought a polled, dual purpose shorthorn bull out of Wyoming and sent him by rail to Revelstoke from where he trailed him home to develop a new breed by using him on their Scotch Highland herd. The ranch at Edgewood was tough, a huge area of dense wooded mountainsides was where the cattle summered - accessing it by traveling along cut lines. These cattle basically never saw grass - they lived on browse in summer and spent the winters on the lake side being fed hay. The snow on the level would often be 5 or 6 feet deep so these old cows lived under the canopy of the big trees, calved there too along side the cougars. Over the next 50 years or so this man patiently upgraded the stock of his new breed until the Canadian Luing breeders approached him in the 1980s when they saw how similar the two breeds were. As a result 100 snowlander females were allowed into the Luing breed as 3/4 grade animals. A few bulls bred off Luing sires and Snowlander dams were allowed in as grade bulls and this brought the poll trait into the Luing breed.
I have access to semen off a straight snowlander bull born in 1972, reckoned to be the best bull they ever bred. Because he is a straight snowlander I can't use him on my Luings and register the calves but he would be a great cow breeder for the commercial man.
 
Here is the only picture we have of that Snowlander bull we have semen off. Sorry it's black and white.
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Also some Luing cows in February, wintering on native pasture with no supplementary feed, in the foothills SW of Calgary. No EPD'S, no paper numbers - just real cows doing a job, look at the flesh on them.
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