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<blockquote data-quote="Ky hills" data-source="post: 1682617" data-attributes="member: 24816"><p>There is another side of the equation to herds managed or not managed like the one mentioned in the original post.</p><p>Depending on the factors like size of boundary, how often calves or cattle in general were sold from the herd. My opinion, based on what I have seen from those type scenarios is that yes the surviving individuals are no doubt tough, there has likely been a significant number of equal quality animals that did not survive. Cows with calves not weaned and then calve back does not bode well for the newborns in a lot of situations. I would figure a lot of calves were lost due to starvation and or no colostrum. Another factor is the number of mature or breeding age bulls. Unless the herd is very large there is likely eventually going to be a major excess of bulls. Those bulls are going to fight and a lot of injuries are probably going to occur. I heard a story once of someone telling about seeing a poor looking cow out in a pond to get away from seven or eight bulls fighting over her.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ky hills, post: 1682617, member: 24816"] There is another side of the equation to herds managed or not managed like the one mentioned in the original post. Depending on the factors like size of boundary, how often calves or cattle in general were sold from the herd. My opinion, based on what I have seen from those type scenarios is that yes the surviving individuals are no doubt tough, there has likely been a significant number of equal quality animals that did not survive. Cows with calves not weaned and then calve back does not bode well for the newborns in a lot of situations. I would figure a lot of calves were lost due to starvation and or no colostrum. Another factor is the number of mature or breeding age bulls. Unless the herd is very large there is likely eventually going to be a major excess of bulls. Those bulls are going to fight and a lot of injuries are probably going to occur. I heard a story once of someone telling about seeing a poor looking cow out in a pond to get away from seven or eight bulls fighting over her. [/QUOTE]
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