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<blockquote data-quote="dewey" data-source="post: 493960" data-attributes="member: 5710"><p>people i usually stay clear of these debates like this most of the time they become more of an argument then anything.</p><p></p><p> lets look back at a few things. when most of us was in school there was a whole different set of rules. you said the pledge and prayer every morning back in elementry school. if you got in a a fight you didnt get the cops called on you. both was took the the Principals office to sort things out usually ended up with a paddlin from the principle and then they notified your parents. if you backed talked a teacher or interupted the class they could paddle your butt then notify your parents and you got another butt whooping at home. but they took all them things out of the school system. as my old Ag teacher used to say, "apply the board of education to the seat of knowledge". now days a kid gets in trouble in school the parents want to whoop the teacher or sue the school. "my little Johnny didnt do that it was provoked etc." back then you learned there are rules you must go by like it or not you go by them and it was reenforced at home. there is a difference between child abuse and a butt whooping but most now days dont know the difference all they know is Child Protective Services.</p><p></p><p>now take a look at what goes on in our world today. we change all kinda rules laws etc to try to please everyone, immigrants etc. well someone needs to say enough is enough we are the way we are if you dont like it tuff. why are you here if you are so offended?</p><p></p><p>lets look at another thing. some of these people with a house full of kids get paid for all the kids they have. wonder why they are not interested in a job? foodstamps Lonestar Cards what ever they are called now yet another joke. i have seen people take their cards go shopping for someone else and give the groceries to the person for booze or cash. i have seen parents of kids steal and then get all over the kids for stealing stuff. Gee i wonder where the kids learnt it from? dope may play apart of whats wrong with alot of youngsters but there is usually other factors too.</p><p></p><p>i have seen a young man that both parents was worthless. Dad was on dope and in jail the youngmans whole life and his mother was on dope and ran off and left him. my brother and sisterinlaw raised the youngman along with his grandmother helped when needed. this youngman got him a job right out of highschool working on computers for an oil Co and makes 80,000 + a year and doesnt touch drugs. he is 22 years old right now and recently quit his job to take some time off. he has saved up enough money he doesnt have to worry about a job for awhile yet. </p><p></p><p>here is another youngman who came from a stable home parents divorced but mother raised him and his brother. his dad left but sent child support. all his life his mother and aunt made sure he had everything he needed and then some. well this young man is also 22 years old and has had over 15 different jobs since graduation. he couldnt show up to work on time couldnt get along with other employs fell asleep dureing a saftey meeting got fired. these jobs he had the lowest paying one was 9 dollars and hours the highest paying was 13.50 an hour with all benefits. he has held no job longer then a week. he just started a job today makeing 7 dollars an hour.</p><p></p><p>to me it doesnt matter where the person came from or what kinda back ground it depends on what kinda person the youngster is. it helps if there is one there to help and guide the youngster in the right direction with limited help. not all the kids that are screw up come from bad backgrounds some are just spoiled. most parents want to provide so much for their kids because they feel they didnt have that when they was a kid. them kids dont learn any dicipline because they never had to work for nothing growing up everything was handed to them. most kids now days dont have any kind of chores to do. they come home sit down at the computer or infront of the TV and talk how board they are. some parents feel that the kids being in atheletics in school its just too much for them to have a part time job and keep up in school. well myself i think if they dont have a job they can do chores for their allowance.</p><p></p><p>there is really no one simple answer to that question there are many faults that was created no one can pin point one direct answer. just because a kid comes from a bad and tough background doesnt mean a thing about how they will turn out. sometimes instead of pointing fingers at others they should point at the one person and start there. thats my few cents worth for now. </p><p></p><p> i am no writer by far and i am not proof reading any of that if you cant read something up there you just stuck out. :lol2:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dewey, post: 493960, member: 5710"] people i usually stay clear of these debates like this most of the time they become more of an argument then anything. lets look back at a few things. when most of us was in school there was a whole different set of rules. you said the pledge and prayer every morning back in elementry school. if you got in a a fight you didnt get the cops called on you. both was took the the Principals office to sort things out usually ended up with a paddlin from the principle and then they notified your parents. if you backed talked a teacher or interupted the class they could paddle your butt then notify your parents and you got another butt whooping at home. but they took all them things out of the school system. as my old Ag teacher used to say, "apply the board of education to the seat of knowledge". now days a kid gets in trouble in school the parents want to whoop the teacher or sue the school. "my little Johnny didnt do that it was provoked etc." back then you learned there are rules you must go by like it or not you go by them and it was reenforced at home. there is a difference between child abuse and a butt whooping but most now days dont know the difference all they know is Child Protective Services. now take a look at what goes on in our world today. we change all kinda rules laws etc to try to please everyone, immigrants etc. well someone needs to say enough is enough we are the way we are if you dont like it tuff. why are you here if you are so offended? lets look at another thing. some of these people with a house full of kids get paid for all the kids they have. wonder why they are not interested in a job? foodstamps Lonestar Cards what ever they are called now yet another joke. i have seen people take their cards go shopping for someone else and give the groceries to the person for booze or cash. i have seen parents of kids steal and then get all over the kids for stealing stuff. Gee i wonder where the kids learnt it from? dope may play apart of whats wrong with alot of youngsters but there is usually other factors too. i have seen a young man that both parents was worthless. Dad was on dope and in jail the youngmans whole life and his mother was on dope and ran off and left him. my brother and sisterinlaw raised the youngman along with his grandmother helped when needed. this youngman got him a job right out of highschool working on computers for an oil Co and makes 80,000 + a year and doesnt touch drugs. he is 22 years old right now and recently quit his job to take some time off. he has saved up enough money he doesnt have to worry about a job for awhile yet. here is another youngman who came from a stable home parents divorced but mother raised him and his brother. his dad left but sent child support. all his life his mother and aunt made sure he had everything he needed and then some. well this young man is also 22 years old and has had over 15 different jobs since graduation. he couldnt show up to work on time couldnt get along with other employs fell asleep dureing a saftey meeting got fired. these jobs he had the lowest paying one was 9 dollars and hours the highest paying was 13.50 an hour with all benefits. he has held no job longer then a week. he just started a job today makeing 7 dollars an hour. to me it doesnt matter where the person came from or what kinda back ground it depends on what kinda person the youngster is. it helps if there is one there to help and guide the youngster in the right direction with limited help. not all the kids that are screw up come from bad backgrounds some are just spoiled. most parents want to provide so much for their kids because they feel they didnt have that when they was a kid. them kids dont learn any dicipline because they never had to work for nothing growing up everything was handed to them. most kids now days dont have any kind of chores to do. they come home sit down at the computer or infront of the TV and talk how board they are. some parents feel that the kids being in atheletics in school its just too much for them to have a part time job and keep up in school. well myself i think if they dont have a job they can do chores for their allowance. there is really no one simple answer to that question there are many faults that was created no one can pin point one direct answer. just because a kid comes from a bad and tough background doesnt mean a thing about how they will turn out. sometimes instead of pointing fingers at others they should point at the one person and start there. thats my few cents worth for now. i am no writer by far and i am not proof reading any of that if you cant read something up there you just stuck out. :lol2: [/QUOTE]
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