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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymous" data-source="post: 6405"><p>Sounds like you have a good idea for trying to breed black polled cattle that will make you money on the CAB program. I just wonder where you draw the line between trying to benefit financially and integrity?</p><p></p><p>Obviously you are not aware that there are other polled black breeds of cattle. Also other black horned breeds of cattle that have NO angus in them ZERO. I know absolutely, that many cattle with ZERO angus in them have went through the CAB program.</p><p></p><p>Ok, if you don't believe me, that is fine. So let's just take what you do believe about simmentals, gelbviehs, braunviehs, etc. And by the way, I do not condone continental breeds that breed for black and polled so they can take advantage of the CAB program. But again, the Angus Association has asked for it, in the way they set up the rules.</p><p></p><p>My question is where do you draw the line? I have have no problem with anything that is half angus or better being labeled and sold as CAB. Makes sense to me. What I do have a problem with is all the cattle that are of lower amounts of angus than 1/2. So what do you term an animal that is 7/8 simmental 1/8 angus? How about 15/16 simmental 1/16 angus. I guess I am pretty naïve but I would term those animals as simmentals rather than angus. Believe me, there have been many of that breeding sold as CAB. Alf, where do you draw the line or don't you care about integrity or what you tell consumers you are selling? From your example, evidently an animal carrying 1/4 angus genetics and 1/2 Limousin genetics is angus to you. Humor me. How about even being honest enough to term an animal whatever breed it has the most of. In that same example I would call the animal a limousin.</p><p></p><p>Here is something else you may not believe. There are actually a few courageous Black Angus breeders who have spoken out against the CAB fraud. You may term them stupid, I prefer to say they have integrity.</p><p></p><p>You will see the day when the CAB program is held accountable, no different than the Enron accountants, or Martha Stewart or Worldcom or any of them. It is all the same, when you make a short term profit by deception, in the long run you lose. The only reason that I am concerned (as I don't breed cattle and try to sell them as something they aren't) is that once consumers realize that the Angus guys have been cheating them, it will reflect negatively on all cattle producers, not just the breeders of black polled cattle.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 6405"] Sounds like you have a good idea for trying to breed black polled cattle that will make you money on the CAB program. I just wonder where you draw the line between trying to benefit financially and integrity? Obviously you are not aware that there are other polled black breeds of cattle. Also other black horned breeds of cattle that have NO angus in them ZERO. I know absolutely, that many cattle with ZERO angus in them have went through the CAB program. Ok, if you don't believe me, that is fine. So let's just take what you do believe about simmentals, gelbviehs, braunviehs, etc. And by the way, I do not condone continental breeds that breed for black and polled so they can take advantage of the CAB program. But again, the Angus Association has asked for it, in the way they set up the rules. My question is where do you draw the line? I have have no problem with anything that is half angus or better being labeled and sold as CAB. Makes sense to me. What I do have a problem with is all the cattle that are of lower amounts of angus than 1/2. So what do you term an animal that is 7/8 simmental 1/8 angus? How about 15/16 simmental 1/16 angus. I guess I am pretty naïve but I would term those animals as simmentals rather than angus. Believe me, there have been many of that breeding sold as CAB. Alf, where do you draw the line or don't you care about integrity or what you tell consumers you are selling? From your example, evidently an animal carrying 1/4 angus genetics and 1/2 Limousin genetics is angus to you. Humor me. How about even being honest enough to term an animal whatever breed it has the most of. In that same example I would call the animal a limousin. Here is something else you may not believe. There are actually a few courageous Black Angus breeders who have spoken out against the CAB fraud. You may term them stupid, I prefer to say they have integrity. You will see the day when the CAB program is held accountable, no different than the Enron accountants, or Martha Stewart or Worldcom or any of them. It is all the same, when you make a short term profit by deception, in the long run you lose. The only reason that I am concerned (as I don't breed cattle and try to sell them as something they aren't) is that once consumers realize that the Angus guys have been cheating them, it will reflect negatively on all cattle producers, not just the breeders of black polled cattle. [/QUOTE]
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