Longhorn Sale Catalog..
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Rustler9
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I have one at home. I also have the prices. Anything in particular that you would like to know?
I was hoping someone that knew a whole lot more about the breed than I do to tell me what they think of my purchases. If they believe any are promising.
I purchased the following lots:
27, 49, 53, 79, 86, 89, 90, 94, 102, 134, 135, 142, 143, 144, and 152.
Since the sale I have been able to do alot more research and wished I would of waited the whole sale out and not spent all my money so quickly. I would of really liked a chance a bid on some of the Hudson longhorns as well as a few others.
I purchased the following lots:
27, 49, 53, 79, 86, 89, 90, 94, 102, 134, 135, 142, 143, 144, and 152.
Since the sale I have been able to do alot more research and wished I would of waited the whole sale out and not spent all my money so quickly. I would of really liked a chance a bid on some of the Hudson longhorns as well as a few others.
LonghornRanch
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warpaint
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Kansas,
I've got a heifer calf, born 6/21/06 sired by one of Hudsons bulls. Kodiak249. Lots of color, and should have tremendous horn.
I've got a heifer calf, born 6/21/06 sired by one of Hudsons bulls. Kodiak249. Lots of color, and should have tremendous horn.
No... not more money than patience. Actually its probably pretty close.... I have no money and little to no patience..
It would be pretty hard for a 32 year old with 4 kids and one on the way to have alot of money...
It would be pretty hard for a 32 year old with 4 kids and one on the way to have alot of money...
Rustler9
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Kansas,
I looked in the sale catalog at your lots and you bought some good cattle in my opinion.
27-I don't know anything about this breeding on the top side-Safari B has been around fro many years. Good looking heifer.
49-good
53-good
79-Valley View Ranch, excellent purchase in my opinion, Rebecca Rhodes raises some good cattle. I have one of her cows (mostly WR breeding) who has had nothing but heifers, had a new one last night. Great milker, excellent horns.
86-great purchase, I don't particularly like the BL Night Chex bull but have seen some ood cattle out of him. Some friends of mine now own him.
89 and 90-good
94-this heifer was well worth the money, we have her grand mother on the top side. Bill Derey is one of my closest friends, he sold Johnny Jones this heifer's sire for $5,000. I also have some half siblings to her sire. Horns, horns and more horns.
102-don't know anything about
134-Jody Shaw raised this cow and sold her at the same sale as a heifer. I have several of Jody's cattle. Good doing cattle.
135-I wanted her but had my eye on a couple more so didn't put my hand up. WR breeding-cross with a Butler bull and look out.
142-great breeding, excellent buy. Ditto on 143 and 144.
152-looks like she was bred by the late Jim Palmer of Walnut Hill Farm. I have one of his cows and she's a good one.
What bull do you plan on breeding these to? Are you breeding for any specific trait?
I looked in the sale catalog at your lots and you bought some good cattle in my opinion.
27-I don't know anything about this breeding on the top side-Safari B has been around fro many years. Good looking heifer.
49-good
53-good
79-Valley View Ranch, excellent purchase in my opinion, Rebecca Rhodes raises some good cattle. I have one of her cows (mostly WR breeding) who has had nothing but heifers, had a new one last night. Great milker, excellent horns.
86-great purchase, I don't particularly like the BL Night Chex bull but have seen some ood cattle out of him. Some friends of mine now own him.
89 and 90-good
94-this heifer was well worth the money, we have her grand mother on the top side. Bill Derey is one of my closest friends, he sold Johnny Jones this heifer's sire for $5,000. I also have some half siblings to her sire. Horns, horns and more horns.
102-don't know anything about
134-Jody Shaw raised this cow and sold her at the same sale as a heifer. I have several of Jody's cattle. Good doing cattle.
135-I wanted her but had my eye on a couple more so didn't put my hand up. WR breeding-cross with a Butler bull and look out.
142-great breeding, excellent buy. Ditto on 143 and 144.
152-looks like she was bred by the late Jim Palmer of Walnut Hill Farm. I have one of his cows and she's a good one.
What bull do you plan on breeding these to? Are you breeding for any specific trait?
Rustler9,
Thanks for taking the time to give me your thoughts on my purchases. I certainly appreciate it. What bull? No clue at this time? What is my ultimate goal with these cattle? Still no clue. I am so new to this that I am definitely looking for some direction from those folks that know alot more about this industry than I do.
Yesterday, I spent the day with Vicki Bondon (Yuppie Sunrise Stock Exchange) and Justin from (JBR longhorns) both are partners on Wyoming Warpaint. They were definitely helpful and incredible hosts. That Vicki has some absolutely gorgeous animals on her place.
I can only assume that the more folks I talk with the more I will learn. Over time I should be able to get a pretty good idea of where to go with these heifer purchases.
I would love to hear your opinions on potential bulls/bloodlines/etc. that you feel would fit this hodgepodge mix of bloodlines I purchased.
Thanks in advance,
Joseph Kerr
I also picked up 109, 122, 123,and 149...
Made a mistake I did not pick up: 134,145 (dont know why they were circled, must of meant I really wanted them)
Thanks for taking the time to give me your thoughts on my purchases. I certainly appreciate it. What bull? No clue at this time? What is my ultimate goal with these cattle? Still no clue. I am so new to this that I am definitely looking for some direction from those folks that know alot more about this industry than I do.
Yesterday, I spent the day with Vicki Bondon (Yuppie Sunrise Stock Exchange) and Justin from (JBR longhorns) both are partners on Wyoming Warpaint. They were definitely helpful and incredible hosts. That Vicki has some absolutely gorgeous animals on her place.
I can only assume that the more folks I talk with the more I will learn. Over time I should be able to get a pretty good idea of where to go with these heifer purchases.
I would love to hear your opinions on potential bulls/bloodlines/etc. that you feel would fit this hodgepodge mix of bloodlines I purchased.
Thanks in advance,
Joseph Kerr
I also picked up 109, 122, 123,and 149...
Made a mistake I did not pick up: 134,145 (dont know why they were circled, must of meant I really wanted them)
Rustler9
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Joseph,
You do have a good mix of bloodlines, which is fine as far as I'm concerned. I recommend a Butler or Butler influenced bull on these females. Other folks will recommend something else. My reasoning is this: You already have a blend of several lines, WR, Peeler, Phillips, some Butler thrown in. You already have animals that will throw some beefiness and body. Now add a little more horn to the mix. If you go to enough sales you'll see that the trend right now in horned cattle is horn. The more horn they have the more money they will bring. Of course, conformation is important but unless you're breeding show type animals without horn you just have a beef type animal that you can cross breed or sale at the sale barn.
Wyoming Warpaint is a good blended bull. Anything that came out of Owen McGill's program is going to get some notice in a sale. We have a Levi 6 son who also goes back to Round Up and we have been very well pleased with his off spring. Horn, color and conformation.
I don't know Vicki Bondon or Justin Rombeck personally but have seen some of their cattle sale for good money. If you look at any of the high selling cattle in the top sales you'll see that they are usually blended cattle and have some Butler blood. Butler adds horn.
I'm constantly learning about these cattle myself but please feel free to ask anything anytime. I'll be glad to help if I can. One thing I have found out about these cattle is that Longhorn breeders are some of the best folks you'll find. Like anything else, you'll run across a snotty one every once in awhile but as a rule these people are great and are always willing to help and offer advice. This just makes it even better.
You do have a good mix of bloodlines, which is fine as far as I'm concerned. I recommend a Butler or Butler influenced bull on these females. Other folks will recommend something else. My reasoning is this: You already have a blend of several lines, WR, Peeler, Phillips, some Butler thrown in. You already have animals that will throw some beefiness and body. Now add a little more horn to the mix. If you go to enough sales you'll see that the trend right now in horned cattle is horn. The more horn they have the more money they will bring. Of course, conformation is important but unless you're breeding show type animals without horn you just have a beef type animal that you can cross breed or sale at the sale barn.
Wyoming Warpaint is a good blended bull. Anything that came out of Owen McGill's program is going to get some notice in a sale. We have a Levi 6 son who also goes back to Round Up and we have been very well pleased with his off spring. Horn, color and conformation.
I don't know Vicki Bondon or Justin Rombeck personally but have seen some of their cattle sale for good money. If you look at any of the high selling cattle in the top sales you'll see that they are usually blended cattle and have some Butler blood. Butler adds horn.
I'm constantly learning about these cattle myself but please feel free to ask anything anytime. I'll be glad to help if I can. One thing I have found out about these cattle is that Longhorn breeders are some of the best folks you'll find. Like anything else, you'll run across a snotty one every once in awhile but as a rule these people are great and are always willing to help and offer advice. This just makes it even better.
Rustler9
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Joseph,
I hope to meet you at an upcoming sale. We'll be back at the B&C sale in March 07. If you're there maybe we can chat. I don't know how much you plan to get involved but there's a good new sale (2nd year) in Marshall, VA in April and also in Gulfport, MS. We'll be there too. Consigning cattle to both sales.
I hope to meet you at an upcoming sale. We'll be back at the B&C sale in March 07. If you're there maybe we can chat. I don't know how much you plan to get involved but there's a good new sale (2nd year) in Marshall, VA in April and also in Gulfport, MS. We'll be there too. Consigning cattle to both sales.
KANSAS":87d1mffe said:
Since you are still unsure on what kind of bull you want, and the direction you want to go with your herd, I would recommend using a nice well balanced bull. Maybe a moderate sized bull that will mature around 1800lbs or so with pretty decent horns, and most importantly is structurally correct. Without the structural correctness they cant get around as well, and they will produce offspring that are inferior. That way you will be building a foundation of solid made animals that might not excel in any one area, but dont lack in any area at the same time. Then if you want head in a certain direction towards a certain goal, you will have a solid foundation to help build around, without setting yourself back. As for bloodlines, I would go with a blended bloodline. That way you can get the best of all the available genetics. I think a the bulls you liked on Dickenson's website are good types to look at. They general had good bodies, were structurally correct, and had adequate muscling and horn.
I would recommend doing as much research or looking around as possible before making your purchase, and deciding what direction to go in before buying a bull. The more know and see, the more you will be able to pick out a bull that you like and will work well with your females.
Although I haven't seen your animals, these are just some thoughts...
Ryan
Running Arrow Bill
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KANSAS":2bq9vsqk said:
Thanks for compliment for the Longhorn folks!
We too welcome any and all visitors. Coffee pot is always on... We're always here and enjoy talking LH for 10 min or all day and seeing our herd. Your camera is welcome too!
Hill Creek Farm
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I have a question for you Longhorn folks, do you all do much AI work? I know it's big in other British and European breeds, but do a lot of you all do it or just buy a really good Registered Longhorn bull? Also, I ahve noticed that a lot of you all don't like the Butler bloodline, why is that?
Hill Creek Farm":7c9p7gzq said:
Personally, we dont do much a.i. as we feel we have the top bull in the industry for what we are trying to do. Plus, we have two younger bulls that we feel are, or will be very soon, at the top of the industry. As we grow, and expand our genetics within the herd we will consider a.i., but right now it is unnecessary. Another factor for me, and this is just my opinion, is that there arent that many longhorn bulls out there worth ai'ing to. At the place my dad used to manage, they did a lot of a.i. with very good success, i would not be opposed to it all.
As for the butler bloodline... they just dont fit my style and what i like for my longhorns to be. They are usually animals with good horn. They tend to be small animals with less than average muscling, I just like a bigger animal that exhibits more beefiness. We have one heifer who's sire is 100% butler. She's a nice heifer, just the smallest one in the group and not quite as correct as most the others, but she does have some of the best horn. The butler bloodline is all personal preference. Some people swear by it, others want nothing to do with it.
Ryan
Hill Creek Farm
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Thanks Ryan! I always wondered if you all Longhorn breeders did any AI work. Also, I now understand about the Butler line in Longhorn cattle. Thanks very much!
Running Arrow Bill
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Hill Creek Farm":1swjkz8z said:
Hope I'm not hijacking this thread... ;-)
At Running Arrow Farm we have done A.I. as well as 99% use our own sires. One A.I. we did was with Phenomenon semen and produced a very good bull calf that we sold to a ranch for $2,000.
Our on-site bulls include an 1850# black Overwhelmer son, two junior bulls with strong Roundup genetics, and one red and white 27/32 Butler bull. So far, all offspring have met or exceeded our expectations.
While the "7 Families" of Longhorns were the "start ?" of current lines and served to create good blended genetics that are common today, the Butler Family is the closest thing to a "pure" line in current practice (even though others' research have indicated that even the current Butler cattle are the result of some previous LH out-crossing genetics).
Butler Genetics: Lots of horn (horn sells), small hip.
However, the best Longhorn animals are the result of selected line-breeding and out-crossing among the various Family lineages.
WDF
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Are longhorn cattle aggressive? With all that horn, they could be tough to work with, worm, transport, etc.
