legal question

[bigbull338]

im thinking bout buying some reg beefmasters.but i dont really want them on my farm.due to the neighbors bulls.i dont want no crossbred calves.b/c the beefmasters will have stacked bloodlines.for peoducing show heifers an herd bulls.a crossbred calve would lose me $2000 to 3000 a hd.so i was wobdering if neighbor would be liable.for the loses.due to his no good bulls jumping fences.scott

 

[ollie]

Nope.

 

[bigbull338]

thanks ollie.i was afraid that was gonna be the answer.got some neighbors that does rubb scrubb bulls.so if i jump into this deal.i wont put them on this farm.i cant risk losing that much money.esp when 1 heifer would be worth 5 of neighbors cows.scott

 

[Beefy]

what bloodlines are we talking here?

 

[bigbull338]

im not real sure on the bloodlines beefy.i do know what the heifers are bred for.an thats for show heifers an herd bulls.the guy is letting heifers go for $4000 ac.im sure they are the best bulls in the beefmaster breed.b/c he is real heavy into ET work an AI breeding.scott

 

[cul8r]

build a better fence.

 

[Chuckie]

I wouldn't let the neighbor's bull stop me. I'd stop the neighbor's bull. I guess I would do a step up each time he decided to come over. Electric fence with several wires would be my first attempt. Then I would progress to what ever it took. Do his cattle get out a lot?
You might need to call Ollie and tell him you are about to put two sides of beef in the freezer! :lol:

 

[Anonymous]

Rubber bands work great !

 

[Rookie]

Run 2 strands of hot wire. top one hooked up to ground and the bottom to the charger. When he touches that ground wire and that hot wire it will light him up.

Cowboy, I assume ya be meanin ta run the wires paralell on the posts close enough together so be it an animal would have to touch both hot and ground if it be close ehough ta touch at all.
Does that increase the voltage a charger be makin or just deliver it in the most efficient manner possible?

george

 

[bigbull338]

i used hotwires for yrs.when i was milking cows.an i wont use them with beef cows.took alot of jolts from the hotwires.scott

 

[Anonymous]

Yep. You got to make them close enough that he touches them both at once. When we turned the new prospect steers on the runs several months ago. It was gettin dark and when the bravest steer decided to try out the wire we saw an arch between the calf and the wire. It was hilarious.

Want some down home country entertainment?

Hang a couple of those aluminum pie plates off the hot wire with some light wire.

Every animal in the field has to sniff those plates at least once - usually the entire group will be there sniffing within 5 minutes.

8) :lol:

Bez'

 

[Vicky the vet]

im thinking bout buying some reg beefmasters.but i dont really want them on my farm.due to the neighbors bulls.i dont want no crossbred calves.b/c the beefmasters will have stacked bloodlines.for peoducing show heifers an herd bulls.a crossbred calve would lose me $2000 to 3000 a hd.so i was wobdering if neighbor would be liable.for the loses.due to his no good bulls jumping fences.scott

My answer is a little different...it depends on the area. In Ontario, the farmer with a bull in his field is liable for any and all damage done by his bull. If you ran your car through the fence and then the bull rammed it, the farmer is liable for the additonal damage. If the bull damages the fence then goes on the neighbour's property, liable for EVERYTHING. And I know clients with purebreds who have been financially compensated for having a scrub bull breed their cows... and people rarely sue in Canada, so it's just the norm here.

 

[Frankie]

im thinking bout buying some reg beefmasters.but i dont really want them on my farm.due to the neighbors bulls.i dont want no crossbred calves.b/c the beefmasters will have stacked bloodlines.for peoducing show heifers an herd bulls.a crossbred calve would lose me $2000 to 3000 a hd.so i was wobdering if neighbor would be liable.for the loses.due to his no good bulls jumping fences.scott

You need to talk to a lawyer because laws will vary from state to state. If the bull does come across the fence and breed the heifers, you can abort them with no problems and ask the bull's owner to pay for it. We had a problem on a rental place with the neighbor's bull, but a good hot wire stopped that.

It's great that you have a market for $4-$5,000 heifers and bulls.

 

[bigbull338]

thanks all for your answers.i know im crazy for even considering such a thing as this.but its something i really want to try.if i can get everything going.the beefmaster bulls sale from $2000 to $4000 ea or more.heifers to get into it go for $4000ea.an if i do it ill pasture them with a friends reg herd.i know im crazy for considering such a thing. scott

 

[JHH]

Hey bigbull I am the one that usually has cows out but last night the neighbors heifers came visting my bull (3).Got all but one out this morning she is still in heat and wouldnt do any good to run her back home she would just come back he thought.He runs angus and I have a hereford bull he doesn't want the cross,says he would have to pull the calf :shock: .I dont understand that one, my bull throws moderate birth weight calves and have not had to pull a calf yet, and his heifers are 04 models so should be OK.But I have only had 10 calves out of him.JHH

 

[Frankie]

thanks all for your answers.i know im crazy for even considering such a thing as this.but its something i really want to try.if i can get everything going.the beefmaster bulls sale from $2000 to $4000 ea or more.heifers to get into it go for $4000ea.an if i do it ill pasture them with a friends reg herd.i know im crazy for considering such a thing. scott

I wouldn't say you're crazy, but you should really pencil out what you're doing. Is he going to let you sell your animals through his production sale? I try to get to one Beefmaster sale here in OK most years and haven't seen a bull sell for $4,000. The two year olds will sell for $2-$3000. Yes, I know some breeds are more popular than others in some regions, but there's quite a bit of time and money tied up in a two year old bull. I can tell you the purebred business is a lot of fun, but wouldn't advise getting into it on borrowed money. Good luck....

 

[bigbull338]

JHH hereford bull most likely will throw small calves on angus heifers.sounds like you have a calving ease bull.frankie i went to a beefmaster sale in may. i posted about the sale remember.bred an open heifers was bringing 1500 to 2000.but it was a small sale.pairs sold good as well.im wanting to go to the bull sale in dec.but doubt i can make it.scott

 

[JHH]

thanks all for your answers.i know im crazy for even considering such a thing as this.but its something i really want to try.if i can get everything going.the beefmaster bulls sale from $2000 to $4000 ea or more.heifers to get into it go for $4000ea.an if i do it ill pasture them with a friends reg herd.i know im crazy for considering such a thing. scott

You have to try it.If you can work with someone else and you both come out ahead why not try it.Be sure to tatto or something to make sure cows and calves dont get mixed up.

 

[bigbull338]

well the friend that id be pasturing my cattle is just starting out.he has bought 12 heifers [f wich 2 are due to calve in dec.an 10 due in the spring.we went and picked up 2 reg beefmaster bulls he bought 6 months ago.to put on his cows.then sold the cows a month ago.an decided to go reg beefmasters.scott

 

[JHH]

Wish you luck with whatever you do. Set goals that is the only way I seem to get anything done.JHH