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<blockquote data-quote="flaboy" data-source="post: 92505" data-attributes="member: 1726"><p>Well if you read my post you will see I never said any of the good tractors were made in the USA. That statement should prompt a response.</p><p></p><p>You are correct the motor in some of the Deere "home owner" tractors like the 3120 and 4115 are indeed made in Japan with Yanmar motors. I got it confused with the Duramax Isusu motor. I should have qualified my statement with "real man" tractors not compacts. For your information, a gray market tractor is one that is made for use in one country (Korea, China, Japan) but imported to another (USA). Yes, most of the manufacturers I mentioned have plants all over the world (called globalization). Now this should ruffle some feathers, mainly because they can do it better, faster, and cheaper than in the US. These countries actually have people who don't mind working for a living. The difference is that these tractors are built to US standards for use in the USA.</p><p></p><p>I do own one gray market tractor by the true definition of the term. It is a MF285 that was manufactured in France for use in France and some how got imported here as a parts tractor. It was completely rebuilt and I bought it before I knew its history. </p><p></p><p>You are correct again about going in and asking for parts for a 500 series Massey. Most will give you a funny look and this is because it is a gray tractor per my original statement. Hard to get parts for tractors not specifically designed for the US. I have a hard time with my 285 because it carries a S/N from France and not a US S/N. A good dealer has no problem as he knows to look for US 285 parts as they are the same.</p><p></p><p>I have one made in Poland, one made in Canada, the one from France, and I didn't bother to look to see where the new one was built because it was made for US sale. The main difference here is that they all with the exception of the France one were built for use in the US, hence they are not gray tractors like the ones I originally mentioned. Now with that said, some of the newer models showing up are being built to be used and sold in the US. A REAL tractor man will still call them Gray Tractors.</p><p></p><p>BTW I said it was Just My Honest Opinion. Opinion, Opinion, Opinion, not fact or fiction. I would hope that someone who asked for information would do his own research regardless of the subject before making a decision.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="flaboy, post: 92505, member: 1726"] Well if you read my post you will see I never said any of the good tractors were made in the USA. That statement should prompt a response. You are correct the motor in some of the Deere "home owner" tractors like the 3120 and 4115 are indeed made in Japan with Yanmar motors. I got it confused with the Duramax Isusu motor. I should have qualified my statement with "real man" tractors not compacts. For your information, a gray market tractor is one that is made for use in one country (Korea, China, Japan) but imported to another (USA). Yes, most of the manufacturers I mentioned have plants all over the world (called globalization). Now this should ruffle some feathers, mainly because they can do it better, faster, and cheaper than in the US. These countries actually have people who don't mind working for a living. The difference is that these tractors are built to US standards for use in the USA. I do own one gray market tractor by the true definition of the term. It is a MF285 that was manufactured in France for use in France and some how got imported here as a parts tractor. It was completely rebuilt and I bought it before I knew its history. You are correct again about going in and asking for parts for a 500 series Massey. Most will give you a funny look and this is because it is a gray tractor per my original statement. Hard to get parts for tractors not specifically designed for the US. I have a hard time with my 285 because it carries a S/N from France and not a US S/N. A good dealer has no problem as he knows to look for US 285 parts as they are the same. I have one made in Poland, one made in Canada, the one from France, and I didn't bother to look to see where the new one was built because it was made for US sale. The main difference here is that they all with the exception of the France one were built for use in the US, hence they are not gray tractors like the ones I originally mentioned. Now with that said, some of the newer models showing up are being built to be used and sold in the US. A REAL tractor man will still call them Gray Tractors. BTW I said it was Just My Honest Opinion. Opinion, Opinion, Opinion, not fact or fiction. I would hope that someone who asked for information would do his own research regardless of the subject before making a decision. [/QUOTE]
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