Just a few from the herd (pics)

Tx-beefmaster-showman

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Hey i was just looking to see if yall could give me some feed back on these two
(This is the first time loading pictures, so bear with me)

Stella

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Sugar Baby (as my mom likes to call him)

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(took a few tries to get it right) :)
 
I really like the heifer; the bull is a too coarse made for me.

As for the heifer, I would like to see a few changes: She could be more level from hooks to pins, cleaner in the underline, and a little less coarse in her shoulders. She's nice regardless.
 
I do like Stella! :D

Don't know enough about bulls to make comment. :oops: (But he is a stocky thing, and I like his head and shoulder set :) )

Alice
 
both look very good to me, I think the bull will develope nicely, how old is he, nice and thick, good bone, masculine. I'll let him develope a bit more before deciding on his fate.
 
Ryan-

The heifer is a fine looking example! The bull is another story completely!

We must always keep in mind that the HERD BULL is just that! A Bull that determines what your HERD will ultimately become for many years AFTER you cease using him - IF you retain ANY of his heifers as replacement females. As it takes three years from the birth of a heifer calf until you can determine what quality HER progeny will be - a genetic mistake can take a L-o-o-o-n-g time to rectify! Therefore, your choice of bulls is absolutely critical for the perpetuation of optimal genetics in your BU$INE$$! One of "DOC'S RULES" is: "A GOOD bull is half of your herd. A POOR bull is your ENTIRE herd for many generations!"

There are several characteristics with this bull which are not good traits to pass on to his daughters: A very shallow heart girth, (..and I know that the white color pattern makes it appear more shallow than it is), lack of spring of rib (which restricts body capacity for carrying calves AND maintaining body conditioning during pregnancy-which is inherited!), not a well-formed foreleg and shoulder, sloping rump (which I know is characteristic of bos indicus cattle), and a lack of masculinity, even for a calf this age. Also he seems, from this view, to be narrow throughout from front to rear. These are not beef characteristics that you want to infuse into your herd genetics.

By knowing what to expect and what to look for in each particular breed, you can be aware and prepared to analyze for selection of desirable phenotypic traits without guessing and taking a chance of making an expensive error(s). Beef cattle selection is not a guessing game! It is a Science and an Art! In Bull selection - one MUST be RUTHLESS!

DOC HARRIS
 
DOC HARRIS":u735p7l6 said:
Ryan-

The heifer is a fine looking example! The bull is another story completely!

We must always keep in mind that the HERD BULL is just that! A Bull that determines what your HERD will ultimately become for many years AFTER you cease using him - IF you retain ANY of his heifers as replacement females. As it takes three years from the birth of a heifer calf until you can determine what quality HER progeny will be - a genetic mistake can take a L-o-o-o-n-g time to rectify! Therefore, your choice of bulls is absolutely critical for the perpetuation of optimal genetics in your BU$INE$$! ENTIRE herd for many generOne of "DOC'S
  • RULES" is: "A GOOD bull is half of your herd. A POOR bull is your ations!"
There are several characteristics with this bull which are not good traits to pass on to his daughters: A very shallow heart girth, (..and I know that the white color pattern makes it appear more shallow than it is), lack of spring of rib (which restricts body capacity for carrying calves AND maintaining body conditioning during pregnancy-which is inherited!), not a well-formed foreleg and shoulder, sloping rump (which I know is characteristic of bos indicus cattle, and a lack of masculinity, even for a calf this age. Also he seems, from this view, to be narrow throughout from front to rear. These are not beef characteristics that you want to infuse into your herd genetics.

By knowing what to expect and what to look for in each particular breed, you can be aware and prepared to analyze for selection of desirable phenotypic traits without guessing and taking a chance of making an expensive error(s). Beef cattle selection is not a guessing game! It is a Science and an Art! In Bull selection - one MUST be RUTHLESS!

DOC HARRIS
thats right on about the bull.. if a rancher retains his replacemant over a period of years his bulls influence will be 90 % of his cows. that being the case, it would be a long way going in the other direction to correct poor bull selection
 
Beefy":qv5x2btk said:
Stellllaaaa!!
as beefy says stelllaaaa.i think she is 1 heck of a heifer.the bull calf i cant tell much about.but to me he needs to grow some more an see what happens.
 
No, she is not U classified, 1. because i did not know what it meant for a long time, and 2. The process really seems kind of troublesome (from what i understand, you have to have a field rep. come to your ranch). But her sire and dam are both U classified.
 

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