Jogeephus
Well-known member
Was talking to some guys who went up north to help with restoring power to the Sandy victims. They were not allowed to help cause they were not union workers. They called the scags so they came home. Amazing.
Isn't this something
- Thread starter Jogeephus
- Start date
herefordlover
Well-known member
i think next time i need somthing done and a union worker wants to help i will say no thanks ur union... wish i could get union wage for growing beef
ohiosteve
Well-known member
I don't particularly care for unions.
Calman
Well-known member
When they started out they had a purpose to help the working man. Then they got so much control they got greedy.
Cal
Cal
ohiosteve
Well-known member
Every person I know who has a union job loves it. Everyone I know who like me has a non-union job is jealous of the union job holders. My observation is that a non-union crew always gets more accomplished in a workday than a union crew.
Well boys let me tell ya i have seen both sides of it and thought for years that Unions were pure BS but some thing that my company has pulled lately tell me that leaving the wage issues aside it would be nice to have a little protection from Corporate America once in a while
highgrit
Well-known member
One thing about the unions if we don't break them, we will never get our country back. I have hope that it's not to late already. And if it was made by union workers, it cost to much for the average worker to afford. A union is for people that can't run their own business.
They need a leader or boss, their njust ot self motivated enough.
They need a leader or boss, their njust ot self motivated enough.
James T
Well-known member
highgrit":3nvcco44 said:
Exactly. And I have to wonder if most union folks are also big government sponsors The expense is too great. And we question why so many companies take their manufacturing across the border?
ohiosteve
Well-known member
I understand the purpose of a union, workers do need to have some rights and protection. With no union only the strong will survive. The tough question is what happens to the weak? In a union the weak eventually have too much power. I have thought about this too long now I have a headache.
highgrit
Well-known member
That's the main thing wrong with the unions. The weak and strong get the same pay, as long as their tenure is the same. Why should the strong work harder than a slacker and receive the same pay.
highgrit":2uplwr9p said:
On that point i totally agree. In my case what has just happened is that the corporation(Sysco Foods) a fortune 100 company has decided to completely reinvent itself in many ways including cutting our pay AND no longer funding our pension plan. I in effect will work my last 3 years with no further contributions to my pension. It is frozen as of 12/31/2012. The reason they did this to us and not the Union drivers and warehouse employees............because they can!
ALACOWMAN
Well-known member
same thing happened to a crew here......freakin' ridiculousJogeephus":1x82wfrj said:
Goodlife
Well-known member
Yeah the Union thing is a tough one becasue humans simply get greedy. First the Corp gets greedy and pays a paultry wage and wants you to be happy with it. Then the unions help get a living wage for the workers which is great but don't know when to stop. So the union gets greedy without logical restraint and begins to expect illogical pay with no committemnt to quality of work.
We ran a new phone system at work using a non-union firm. We had to hire one union worker to literally sit and read all day so we had one union worker on the job. I wish the union would realize how much that hurts their stature. Frankly that is the reason we hired a non-union firm to begin with.
We ran a new phone system at work using a non-union firm. We had to hire one union worker to literally sit and read all day so we had one union worker on the job. I wish the union would realize how much that hurts their stature. Frankly that is the reason we hired a non-union firm to begin with.
Dave
Well-known member
The union really helped the workers at Hostess. The company has been in bankrupcy. They want to cut pay to stay afloat. The union went on strike. Now the company has announced that they shutting down all their plants and selling off all their assets. A job with a pay cut might have been better than the unemployment line. Unions like this will bust themselves. But how many companies will they take down in the process?
Hostess workers should have stayed on the job. Better to have a job paying less than to have NO job in this economy. I know, believe me. Spent a year and a half unemployed.
To me, unions have been an necessary evil. Without them, most would not have the overtime pay, vacations, insurance, or benefits that they have now. I have worked both ends of the deal.. and its good to have a contract with whoever you are working for, because without one, the companies or businesses can do whatever & whenever they want to you.
To me, unions have been an necessary evil. Without them, most would not have the overtime pay, vacations, insurance, or benefits that they have now. I have worked both ends of the deal.. and its good to have a contract with whoever you are working for, because without one, the companies or businesses can do whatever & whenever they want to you.
Limomike":2o5fvpzs said:
Mike i have had 3 contracts with Sysco in 10 years and all 3 times when they wanted to change the deal they just tore them up and said "here's the new deal take it or leave" Contracts don't mean shyt unless you can enforce them and sueing a company with annual sales of 35 billion is not an option!
backhoeboogie
Well-known member
The real issues exist with the upper levels, on both sides. If corporations took care of their people, unions would not get a foothold in the blue collar level. The upper levels of the union bosses seem to care even less about individuals.
Back in the 70's, New York City was going broke. Sanitation workers were earning more than doctors here. Something is wrong with this picture. I have never felt good about unions since that time. That ain't right.
At the same time, most all of us have seen outsourcing. There needs to be balance.
Shutting down companies only sends work overseas.
Citizens needed power restored in a crisis. Licensed workers were there to help the citizens. Union issues do not have a place in the time of crisis. Next time you need an ambulance, can your neighbor turn them away because the licensed driver does not have a union card?
Back in the 70's, New York City was going broke. Sanitation workers were earning more than doctors here. Something is wrong with this picture. I have never felt good about unions since that time. That ain't right.
At the same time, most all of us have seen outsourcing. There needs to be balance.
Shutting down companies only sends work overseas.
Citizens needed power restored in a crisis. Licensed workers were there to help the citizens. Union issues do not have a place in the time of crisis. Next time you need an ambulance, can your neighbor turn them away because the licensed driver does not have a union card?
Dave
Well-known member
I recently read a book about the Centralia Massarce and the establishment of unions on the west coast. Pretty amazing things happened. Things that we really take for granted were not allowed. Simply wearing a union pin could get you a couple years in prison. Freedom of speech was not allowed. I read of one case where a union organizor was arrested when starting a speech. All he had done was quote Lincoln, never finished his quote, and he was arrested for inciting a riot. And I do remember my Grandfather talking about the terrible work, safety, and living conditions in the logging camps prior to the unions. But things have swung too far the other way. There is a happy balance in the middle but as in all things we do, we have a problem finding the middle or staying there.
slick4591
Well-known member
Apparently that didn't happen all over. Friend of mine here went up to NJ with a crew and they were welcomed with open arms. He said he had heard the rumor that the Union was chasing crews off, but they never approached his crew.
