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<blockquote data-quote="Oldtimer" data-source="post: 45720" data-attributes="member: 97"><p>Blackpower- Pretty much agree with you--- Can't see why anyone would want to breed angus heifers to any bull with high epds-- Let alone anything to a high birthweight bull.- Or a hereford bull--We've found that its more economical to breed cows to lower birthweight bulls and have live calves in the spring than have no calf at all -- I breed to low birthweight angus bulls - ( angus under 2.0 epd, under 80 lb birthweight) - heifers and cows-and I'll still end up with steers that average around 600 lbs in the fall- with some weighing in the 700 lb. range. </p><p></p><p>The old story that you have to have 100lb birthweight calves to have have 600 lb calves is a crock-- Those 70 lb. calves that have much more vigor will jump up, suck, and live, where the 90-100 lbers will die in cold or bad weather.</p><p></p><p>Around here, even many of the purebred hereford breeders breed their hereford heifers to a low birthweight angus bull for the first calf to guarantee a live one.</p><p></p><p>No way can I see putting a hereford bull on first calf angus heifers if you can use an angus bull-- One thing people forget is that even when the calf is in the cow- heterosis kicks in- a lot of the epd and birthweight statistics go out the door when you crossbreed--Some of the largest calves I've ever pulled came out of hereford -angus X's (148lbs). </p><p></p><p>My biggest complaint with the angus and hereford industry has long been that they had a good thing going-- then tried to make them all the size of the exotics, and increased much of the frame size and birthweights so bad that the ruined what the good thing is that they had going for them.... Give me a pasture of 75lb birth calves over 1 100 lber anyday..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oldtimer, post: 45720, member: 97"] Blackpower- Pretty much agree with you--- Can't see why anyone would want to breed angus heifers to any bull with high epds-- Let alone anything to a high birthweight bull.- Or a hereford bull--We've found that its more economical to breed cows to lower birthweight bulls and have live calves in the spring than have no calf at all -- I breed to low birthweight angus bulls - ( angus under 2.0 epd, under 80 lb birthweight) - heifers and cows-and I'll still end up with steers that average around 600 lbs in the fall- with some weighing in the 700 lb. range. The old story that you have to have 100lb birthweight calves to have have 600 lb calves is a crock-- Those 70 lb. calves that have much more vigor will jump up, suck, and live, where the 90-100 lbers will die in cold or bad weather. Around here, even many of the purebred hereford breeders breed their hereford heifers to a low birthweight angus bull for the first calf to guarantee a live one. No way can I see putting a hereford bull on first calf angus heifers if you can use an angus bull-- One thing people forget is that even when the calf is in the cow- heterosis kicks in- a lot of the epd and birthweight statistics go out the door when you crossbreed--Some of the largest calves I've ever pulled came out of hereford -angus X's (148lbs). My biggest complaint with the angus and hereford industry has long been that they had a good thing going-- then tried to make them all the size of the exotics, and increased much of the frame size and birthweights so bad that the ruined what the good thing is that they had going for them.... Give me a pasture of 75lb birth calves over 1 100 lber anyday.. [/QUOTE]
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