Is it Just Mine or are all bulls this way!

brahma_show_girl

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Is it just mine or are all bulls generally easier to break than heifers. I have two brahman bulls. The first one broke in about 3 weeks and made it to the Houston Livestock Show. I have another Bull and it took about a month tops to break him and he went to the AJBA National show. I have a heifer that was suppose to make it to the AJBA show but she wasn't ready. I started breaking her the same time I started breaking my second bull calf. It has been three months and she still is a runner. Just wondering?
 
I havent broke any bulls yet I got a bull that was already halter broke but my Heifers I break they break in that time frame or less but I guess I have been lucky some never break it what I heard so good luck with your bulls
 
I'd much rather break a bull than a heifer. I would agree that bulls break quicker than heifers.
 
brahma_show_girl":3gw0hzml said:
Really? How old are they when you first break them. With my bulls I mean from start to finish setting up, bathing, walking, and tieing.

They are calves. We let them drag halters for 3-4 days. Tie them up and they all lay down the first day. Do that for a few days and it's smooth sailing from there. Sometimes we drag behind a flatbed if they don't want to walk, but they pick that up quick too.
 
iowahawkeyes":5xjkee55 said:
brahma_show_girl":5xjkee55 said:
Really? How old are they when you first break them. With my bulls I mean from start to finish setting up, bathing, walking, and tieing.

They are calves. We let them drag halters for 3-4 days. Tie them up and they all lay down the first day. Do that for a few days and it's smooth sailing from there. Sometimes we drag behind a flatbed if they don't want to walk, but they pick that up quick too.

calves has a range of months there when do you start working them?
 
Generally bulls and steers are easier to break than heifers, because they actually have some intelligence - heifers just dont have any brains, and get flustered over the smallest thing. But three months is extreme - you say she's a runner - did she learn that she can bolt and get away from you? Sounds like tractor time for this little miss.

I had an angus steer once took me almost 6 months to break - he was tough.

Vs_cattle - there is no such thing as an animal that wont break! :D
 
Keren":sw5byaus said:
Vs_cattle - there is no such thing as an animal that wont break! :D

I've had one I should've sent you!! Strictly Business steer about 450 lbs. The most nervous thing ever. He would get so worked up when we would get around him that he would dribble pee...no joking!! We tried to break him. Got him caught, haltered and then let him drag the halter for a couple days. We figured by then he would be used to it and break for us :roll: Boy were we wrong!!! That dang steer drug my dad (who is not the smallest person around, if ya know what i mean) across the pen a few times. Thought we had him broke so I led him down to the washracks and he was fine. Going back up to the pen was a different story. He drug me up the drive way (asphalt driveway) and I finally had to let go....then I had to chase him down the road in the car to get him back. Needless to say, he went to the sale barn the next week. :D
 
You know, I reckon that not too many of these bovine critters have a whole lot in the brains department. My steers are usually pretty good about everything until they get about a year old, then they get all stupid on me. Heifers freak out for no reason and are pretty much scared of everything. Bulls are okay, but they think they need to be in charge of everything.

That all being said, we usually don't have much trouble breaking anything. I don't know much about breaking 10 month old heifers (I'll leave that to the Aussie's lol). We usually start breaking the calves at about 2 or 3 months old. Just tying them up for an hour or so, letting them calm down, and brushing them a couple times makes a huge difference. Older calves just need to be tied up and let them bang their heads against the gate for a while, they'll figure it out.

Sorry for the novel lol
 
Keren":3uovqdvj said:
Generally bulls and steers are easier to break than heifers, because they actually have some intelligence - heifers just dont have any brains, and get flustered over the smallest thing. But three months is extreme - you say she's a runner - did she learn that she can bolt and get away from you? Sounds like tractor time for this little miss.

She has gotten away a few times, but only when someone else is around besides me. When I am working with her I can take her out of the pen and walk her in the big pasture and she does perfectly fine but when someone else comes to watch me work her she goes nuts. She drops her head and runs! I am a pretty stout girl and she is the only calf that has ever gotten away from me and I have broken 6 calves and on the way to breaking two more. We were gonna use our Kawasaki Mule but the dang thing broke down. Never thought about using the tractor. If yall have any suggestions on how I might can break him feel free to tell me!
 
iowahawkeyes":1yf2opt3 said:
That seems like a very long time. Generally, our Hereford calves are broke the first day we tie them up.

I agree that a month is a little long, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that they are broke the very first day. But it usually doesn't take more than 5 days or so. As soon as they stand with trying to kill themselves or me, I bathe and dry them and then put the clippers on them (head first). If you think about it washing and clipping is the worst it'll ever get. Typically after two experiences with the washrack and clippers they're in for the long haul.

Bulls are the best to break by far over heifers. Too many hormones in heifers.
 
vs - I do say so!

Ryan, Colorado, and any others feel free to send your 'unbreakables' to me - mind you I will have to up my prices considerably (take into account the whole transport, quarrantine etc!)

No seriously though, I really dont think there are any animals that cant be broken. I got into the whole showing business a bit different to most people, and for the last I dont know five or six years I prepared and showed cattle from a variety of studs and breeds. Those people were paying good money for me to break in their animals - so there really wasnt any option other than to get them broken.

I've had my fair share of just about all 'types' of animals - I've had flighty, stubborn, aggressive, crazy and absolutely frightened, like you described Colorado. One particularly memorable little steer would start shivering whenever I came close, and would then vomit on me :roll:

Shortyjock, breaking in the older ones can be a whole lot more fun :lol: You should give it a try one time. We once did a mob of 50 - 60 angus heifers ranging from 12 to 18 months, between six of us (myself included) in around 3 or 4 weeks. It was crazy, yeah, and I just about killed myself but it was a helluva lotta fun, too!
 
brahma_show_girl - some suggestions:

Bear in mind that I have not worked with brahman cattle, and I know they think differently to bos taurus cattle, so this may not work.

Generally, once an animal learns it can get away from you, you are going to have a hard time. She now knows she is stronger than you and she will continue to do it. Also, she knows if she drops her head, she gets more strength, because the head is the centre of gravity.

This is what I would do:

1. Put a nose dog in her - you may or may not decide to do this as I know Brahman cattle can get very irritated noses from nose dogs. Brahman breeders here generally use bull rings but I would understand if you chose not to ring a show heifer. Anyway, what I would do is put a nose dog in the animal, and get her into a smallish yard - the one from your photos looks to be allright. Then I would begin to walk her, and with the nose dog force her to keep her head up. If she drops her head pull up sharply on the nose dog and dont be afraid to hurt her. She needs a bit of tough love. The idea is not to let her put her head down, so she doesnt get her strength to take off.

2. Put a hackamore on her. I couldnt tell from your pictures whether you have hackamores on the animals or not - if not, I would get one for her. I normally work in just rope halters with a ring in them, but I keep a couple of hackamores for special cases. It will help with what I mentioned above ^ regarding keeping her head up.

3. Regarding the tractor treatment. I generally only use a tractor if I have an animal that has learnt to get away, because they simply cannot get away from the tractor. If you decide to do this you really have to be very careful. (You will also probably cop a fair bit of flak from some on these boards - its an endless debate issue).

We use an attachment on the three point linkage that we designed ourselves - it consists basically of a round bar which is free spinning with tie points on it, and a sort of shield device so the animal is kept away from the back of the tractor. If you are able to have just a fairly simple bar made up it is usually sufficient - its just important you dont tie her to any old part of the vehicle. Bring the tractor in your yard area, and tie your bull at the back of the tractor on the right side, and the heifer on the left, so they are next to each other. He will keep her calm and encourage her to walk. Now, it will take a few people, so have plenty of helpers. You need one person to drive the tractor, one person to walk beside your bull on his right side, one person walking behind the bull and heifer to keep them moving and another person in case anything goes wrong. You need to be walking next to your heifer, at about the place you would normally lead her from (she will think you are leading her, not the tractor). Have the driver drive very slowly and smoothly. Take her for a good ten minute or so walk, then bring her back to the yard, maybe give her a bit of feed. Let her relax for half an hour or so, then take her out again the same way. I would do this twice in the morning, and then again twice in the afternoon, repeated the next day if she needs it. Some animals will only need it once, others will need it a few times. Also, make sure you lead her on grass or some other soft surface.

4. Regarding the fact that she seems to be set off when other people are around, all I can suggest is that you a) have as many people as possible brushing her, washing her, feeding her etc. like if you were socialising a pup; b) have people around when you do the things I mentioned above ^; c) lead her in a small yard where you know she cannot get away from you. stand her up in the middle of the yard, and when you are ready have someone come into the yard and approach her, and rub her all over. I do this as a standard thing especially with steers, so the judge can get a hand on them without the animal causing too much of a fuss.

Let us know how you go with her.

And as shortyjock says, sorry for the novel. Apparently I'm an author as well :lol:
 
Colorado2008":2rxwuwzh said:
Keren":2rxwuwzh said:
Vs_cattle - there is no such thing as an animal that wont break! :D

I've had one I should've sent you!! Strictly Business steer about 450 lbs. The most nervous thing ever. He would get so worked up when we would get around him that he would dribble pee...no joking!! We tried to break him. Got him caught, haltered and then let him drag the halter for a couple days. We figured by then he would be used to it and break for us :roll: Boy were we wrong!!! That dang steer drug my dad (who is not the smallest person around, if ya know what i mean) across the pen a few times. Thought we had him broke so I led him down to the washracks and he was fine. Going back up to the pen was a different story. He drug me up the drive way (asphalt driveway) and I finally had to let go....then I had to chase him down the road in the car to get him back. Needless to say, he went to the sale barn the next week. :D

With that angus steer, after I'd enlisted the help of four LARGE boys (read thugs!), and he dragged them, ALL TOGETHER (they were all on a very long rope) through three paddocks and over or through the fences in between, then I thought he might be unbreakable . . . but I revised my opinion :lol: and got him sorted in the end.

Then there was the angus heifer who we unloaded at a show, and she took off, did two laps of the racecourse, jumped out of the showground and ended up three farms down the road. Took me three hours to get her into someone's yards (during which I pinched a strangers ute) so I could go and pick her up again! But she was not unbreakable either!

. . . Okay I will shut up now :lol:
 
Keren":1v1lsmcm said:
Colorado2008":1v1lsmcm said:
Keren":1v1lsmcm said:
Vs_cattle - there is no such thing as an animal that wont break! :D

I've had one I should've sent you!! Strictly Business steer about 450 lbs. The most nervous thing ever. He would get so worked up when we would get around him that he would dribble pee...no joking!! We tried to break him. Got him caught, haltered and then let him drag the halter for a couple days. We figured by then he would be used to it and break for us :roll: Boy were we wrong!!! That dang steer drug my dad (who is not the smallest person around, if ya know what i mean) across the pen a few times. Thought we had him broke so I led him down to the washracks and he was fine. Going back up to the pen was a different story. He drug me up the drive way (asphalt driveway) and I finally had to let go....then I had to chase him down the road in the car to get him back. Needless to say, he went to the sale barn the next week. :D

With that angus steer, after I'd enlisted the help of four LARGE boys (read thugs!), and he dragged them, ALL TOGETHER (they were all on a very long rope) through three paddocks and over or through the fences in between, then I thought he might be unbreakable . . . but I revised my opinion :lol: and got him sorted in the end.

Then there was the angus heifer who we unloaded at a show, and she took off, did two laps of the racecourse, jumped out of the showground and ended up three farms down the road. Took me three hours to get her into someone's yards (during which I pinched a strangers ute) so I could go and pick her up again! But she was not unbreakable either!

. . . Okay I will shut up now :lol:

LIKE I SAID IF YOU SAY SO! :cboy:
I will give you that I like your attitude about not giving up and to let you in the '' none breakable animals '' its not that you cant break them so to speak its that you cant break them 110% some will not lead, others will not tie, others will not tame down, others will not do other things so ya thats what I mean but I like your willingness keep it up
 

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