interesting thought

[cow pollinater]

I was laughing to myself about the thread on organic stuff and was struck by the irony involved in my own contribution. The colon blow salad was proudly served as organic by a group trying to get one of my larger customers to use BST. My mind got to working on that irony and I came up with:
Why/how do we have such a push for hormone/antibiotic free everything when over 90% of females in our society of breeding age have no qualms what-so-ever about swallowing hormones with the direct intention of impacting their reproductive cycle and everyone with a case of the sniffles demands antibiotics from their doctor?
I am quite concerned about what goes into my family(me myself, not so much :mrgreen: ) and I can honestly say that I'm much less worried about hormones/antibiotics that have been processed by an animal first that was later used for consumption than I am about things that my family puts into their bodies directly.
I would think that if people were really that concerned with what went into their bodies that avoidance of hormones would start at home... Maybe with the avoidance of whoremoans.

 

[branguscowgirl]

:lol: Yes CP, I would have to agree with you! I see it both ways. Those that avoid everything "potentially bad" for them, and those that will avoid certain "bad things" and not others. I have a family member like that. Drinks and chews, but eats everything organic and refuses to take a Tylenol for a headache! It is maddening. :bang:
As far as women taking birth control, (hormones) I guess they feel unwanted children are more dangerous! So they are willing to take the risk there.
I could go on forever with what I see in the medical profession, but it is just crazy thinking.

 

[M5farm]

Do as I say not as I do.

Antibiotics and hormones are a part of life I really do give a rat's azz about it as long as it taste good.

 

[Caustic Burno]

I was laughing to myself about the thread on organic stuff and was struck by the irony involved in my own contribution. The colon blow salad was proudly served as organic by a group trying to get one of my larger customers to use BST. My mind got to working on that irony and I came up with:
Why/how do we have such a push for hormone/antibiotic free everything when over 90% of females in our society of breeding age have no qualms what-so-ever about swallowing hormones with the direct intention of impacting their reproductive cycle and everyone with a case of the sniffles demands antibiotics from their doctor?
I am quite concerned about what goes into my family(me myself, not so much :mrgreen: ) and I can honestly say that I'm much less worried about hormones/antibiotics that have been processed by an animal first that was later used for consumption than I am about things that my family puts into their bodies directly.
I would think that if people were really that concerned with what went into their bodies that avoidance of hormones would start at home... Maybe with the avoidance of whoremoans.

Good point I never thought about.
Bet everyone of them has a medicine cabinet full of chemicals from over the counter to prescription.
This is the same bunch that thinks cigarettes are bad and mary jane is healthy right?

 

[hillsdown]

Because that is their choice as to what they voluntarily put in their bodies knowingly .However it is not necessarily their choice to eat foods that have been pumped full of hormones . You do not have to take antibiotics willy nilly nor do you have to take Rogaine , Cialis and all the rest of the shytt out there but I know d@m well that there are men on here that do that too .

The consumer should have a choice in what they eat , and that is that.

 

[Jogeephus]

There is so much of what you are talking about it simply blows my mind. I just can't fathom the rampant ignorance that is so prevalent in our society when it comes to food and how or where it is produced. I think its funny to watch Jamie Lee Curtis on televisions pushing everyone to take Activia for better health but let us use a probiotic in cattle for feed for the same reason and we are blamed for pumping antibiotics in the food supply.

 

[hillsdown]

There is so much of what you are talking about it simply blows my mind. I just can't fathom the rampant ignorance that is so prevalent in our society when it comes to food and how or where it is produced. I think its funny to watch Jamie Lee Curtis on televisions pushing everyone to take Activia for better health but let us use a probiotic in cattle for feed for the same reason and we are blamed for pumping antibiotics in the food supply.

We cannot even buy probiotics here , if you want to use any you have to "bring" it across from the US . I use plain yogurt as that is all we can get and it surely would not be cost effective to use on more than a couple of head . :roll:

I do however do not think we need to feed medicated feed to livestock . I think that because of the overuse of it in the past 30 years it has hindered their own immune systems and that is the main reason I am against it NOT because of how it may effect human consumption .

There is however an overuse of hormones in everything these days, be it deliberate or not and I really think the whole "system" needs to be evaluated. There has to be a reason as to why so many kids are bipolar or are suffering from DPD . I do not take any meds except an Nsaid for my arthritis which was exceptionally bad this winter . I had a heck of a cold in October that lasted 3 months and even my doctor said it was time to take some antibiotics but I opted out and eventually I got better .

A lot needs to change, in all aspects .

 

[Nesikep]

Hillsdown, I quite agree with you... medicated feeds are a receipe for resistant bacteria strains, and I am a firm believer that the custumer has the right to know about his food, how educated or radical his choices are is up to him. This goes from hormone free, to GMO, gluten free, Atkins, or whatever.

Are you saying you can't get probiotic cattle feed? or probiotic yogurt? Here in BC there's lots of probiotic yogurts... but we were thinking that might be a bit pointless... a lot of these probiotics may not be able to withstand our stomach acid... there are some in capsule form that do not dissolve until after the stomach, which would quite probably be more effective.

I never take antibiotics... I think the last time I took an oral antibiotic was for an ingrown toenail 20 years ago, and I did have a penicillin eyedrop for a couple days when I got some crap in my eye... I'll take Robaxacet once in a while if my back tightens up, or nyquil for a bad cold, but I only get a cold about every 3 years.

 

[branguscowgirl]

There is so much of what you are talking about it simply blows my mind. I just can't fathom the rampant ignorance that is so prevalent in our society when it comes to food and how or where it is produced. I think its funny to watch Jamie Lee Curtis on televisions pushing everyone to take Activia for better health but let us use a probiotic in cattle for feed for the same reason and we are blamed for pumping antibiotics in the food supply.

"Probiotics=Probios" is not the same as "Antibiotics." http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/fact-sheet-probiotics

 

[hillsdown]

Nesi I am talking about probiotics for livestock ,specifically calves that need to be treated with antibiotics . It is always good to feed probios when treating any animal with antibiotics to help the good flora rebuild .

There are no such products available here and I cannot get them shipped from the States either as they are regulated by the CFIA . :roll:

 

[Nesikep]

OK, I didn't know if it was probiotics for livestock or in yogurt...

Might be able to propagate your own using a gallon of milk made with milk replacer (or milk), and then adding some probiotic yogurt... Incubate at 40C overnight. When we make yogurt that's what we do,... we buy some plain yogurt and stir it into the warm milk, then keep it warm for a night... all done in the morning.

*I* know probiotics are NOT antibiotics..

 

[Jogeephus]

*I* know probiotics are NOT antibiotics..

I agree 100% but our opinions don't seem to matter.

The other day I watched a Youtube video on cheese making and the fella making the cheese got to bashing the dairy industry saying eating commercial cheese would make him sick but he could eat the cheese he made at home from raw milk. Said he was lactose intolerant. :???:

 

[Shanghai]

I'd say some have too much estrogen in their system ;-)

 

[TexasBred]

I was laughing to myself about the thread on organic stuff and was struck by the irony involved in my own contribution. The colon blow salad was proudly served as organic by a group trying to get one of my larger customers to use BST. My mind got to working on that irony and I came up with:
Why/how do we have such a push for hormone/antibiotic free everything when over 90% of females in our society of breeding age have no qualms what-so-ever about swallowing hormones with the direct intention of impacting their reproductive cycle and everyone with a case of the sniffles demands antibiotics from their doctor?
I am quite concerned about what goes into my family(me myself, not so much :mrgreen: ) and I can honestly say that I'm much less worried about hormones/antibiotics that have been processed by an animal first that was later used for consumption than I am about things that my family puts into their bodies directly.
I would think that if people were really that concerned with what went into their bodies that avoidance of hormones would start at home... Maybe with the avoidance of whoremoans.

Betcha some of these are the same ones that go into deep depression when I cow aborts a calf but have no problem purposely aborting their own pregnancies in whatever form is available.

 

[Jogeephus]

I'd say some have too much estrogen in their system

I do think the fella was a bit lite in his loafers. But its these people who have a better understanding of arts and journalism but are clueless in the sciences. But they know how to spread their gospel and manipulate the media. I firmly believe that much of the crap we are accused of is just misunderstanding or a play on semantics and the vast majority of the people in the agriculture industry do a very good job raising and caring for their animals. He77, its in our financial interest to do so.

I recently learned students in Nigeria who have high IQ's and do well on their SAT type tests are forced to go into the sciences in college and those with lower test scores are forced to study subjects like journalism or other liberal art curriculums. I wonder this has anything to do with the anti-ag propaganda. :???:

I like to laugh at some of this nonsense but it is beginning to make things hard in a lot of areas even though the facts contradict this garbage. Just goes to show if you tell a lie often enough people will begin to believe it. BTW - did you hear they are now saying that animal fat isn't as bad for you as they first thought? They actually knew this years ago but the powers that be wouldn't allow it to be published but they had to acknowledge the truth after the British Journal of Medicine published the research paper which studied 40,000 people.

 

[Nesikep]

There's nothing worse for your health than reading books about it!

It's pretty well known that in Liberal Arts 101, you're taught "would you like fries with that?"

What's with this gluten free fad... people have been eating gluten for 1000's of years, and suddenly everyone is gluten intolerant? (there are different types of gluten too)

 

[CottageFarm]

I'd say some have too much estrogen in their system

I do think the fella was a bit lite in his loafers. But its these people who have a better understanding of arts and journalism but are clueless in the sciences. But they know how to spread their gospel and manipulate the media. I firmly believe that much of the crap we are accused of is just misunderstanding or a play on semantics and the vast majority of the people in the agriculture industry do a very good job raising and caring for their animals. He77, its in our financial interest to do so.

I recently learned students in Nigeria who have high IQ's and do well on their SAT type tests are forced to go into the sciences in college and those with lower test scores are forced to study subjects like journalism or other liberal art curriculums. I wonder this has anything to do with the anti-ag propaganda. :???:

I like to laugh at some of this nonsense but it is beginning to make things hard in a lot of areas even though the facts contradict this garbage. Just goes to show if you tell a lie often enough people will begin to believe it. BTW - did you hear they are now saying that animal fat isn't as bad for you as they first thought? They actually knew this years ago but the powers that be wouldn't allow it to be published but they had to acknowledge the truth after the British Journal of Medicine published the research paper which studied 40,000 people.

Yep, they've known it for well over half a century, but the guy heading the project for the 1st gov't "food pyramid", (the original push to lower animal protein consumption) was an avowed vegetarian (vegan I think, but am not certain I recall correctly on that part) and blatantly disregarded the medical information provided that contradicted his agenda. His disciples continued to push that agenda at every opportunity. They've also known for decades that dietary cholesterol is mostly irrelevant to blood cholesterol and that in the instances where it is relevant, animal based fats have been shown to actually lower B.C. where man made fats increase it.


Nesi, I have no idea what the gluten free obsession is about. Yes there are some people who are intolerant of wheat products, but...
like you said...It's a fad... and it will pass like all the others.....

 

[CottageFarm]

Intriguing observation, CP....but very un-PC of you!

 

[cow pollinater]

Intriguing observation, CP....but very un-PC of you!

CP(also my initials in life, by the way) is the opposite of PC and I'm happy about that. My wife has a full time job following me around saying "He didn't really mean that." :mrgreen:

 

[TexasBred]

There is so much of what you are talking about it simply blows my mind. I just can't fathom the rampant ignorance that is so prevalent in our society when it comes to food and how or where it is produced. I think its funny to watch Jamie Lee Curtis on televisions pushing everyone to take Activia for better health but let us use a probiotic in cattle for feed for the same reason and we are blamed for pumping antibiotics in the food supply.

"Probiotics=Probios" is not the same as "Antibiotics." http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/fact-sheet-probiotics

Absolutely...as different as "Pro" and "Anti". :lol2: