In The Dark of the Night

inyati13

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Darkest had descended and what warmth the day had brought had dissipated. In a last gulp, I finished my second glass of merlot and the warm calmness of the night and the alcohol had me dreaming of bed. I got a call on my cell phone. My neighbor nervously ask, “Where is your bull?” I said, “Johnny, he is suppose to be in the ridge pasture.” Johnny said, “I thought so, then my bull is in with you open heifers.” I said, “Johnny, that is not good.” Johnny said, “I guess you got them there because you don’t want them bred.”

Johnny was suffering some stress. I told him not to worry, “the thing to do now is to get the bull out”. He said, “I am charging my light, I will go out right now and try to get him back on my side but you have a heifer in heat and I don’t think there is much we can do before morning.” I said “Johnny, don’t worry, this is not life or death, I am coming over right now. Just take it easy.”

It took me 20 minutes in the dark to drive to the farm. When I got to the shop, I parked the car and got out into the cold clear December night. I looked over to the fence line between me and Johnny and I could see a weak beam of light where there was a gate between our properties. As I was looking, I saw a spectacular shooting star blaze across the clear December sky. I thought for a millisecond “what a wonderful night this is.”

I opened the shop and got my high intensity LED light. I opened the gate into the handling facility and walked out into the pasture. I stood for a moment in the wonderful darkness of the night. Every star was bright and shining. I could hear Johnny trying to coach his bull through the gate between our properties. Every now and then, I would hear, “You SOB, you GD SOB.” I could tell Johnny was very upset. I walked half the distance to the fence. My girls already knew daddy was back at the farm. Tatum was already running toward me. Johnny, yelled. “HeII, get back. I almost got him through the gate. All shyt.” I could see in the darkness that my heifers and the two open cows were coming to daddy. I could see the bull following close behind Melaina who had been in her estrus pattern since Sunday. I think she was well beyond breeding but the odor was still alluring to the bull.

I started back to the facility. I had my plan in head to bring the girls into the feeders and block out the bull. Then, I would run him into the bull pen where I keep Spartacus. Spartacus was out with the fall breds so that left the bull pen free for Johnny’s bull. Just as I do every morning, I put the girls in the lot around the shop. When the bull tried to follow Melaina through, I cut him off. I diverted him into the high security section of the prison.

Johnny came up the hill to the handling facility as I was locking his bull up for bad behavior. Johnny’s first words were, “I could have got him through the gate if your cows had not started running toward you.” I said, “Johnny, the bull is safely away from my open heifers. He has water and I will throw him a few flakes of hay. He has hotwire around him tonight. We can move him back over to your side when we can do it in the light.”

Johnny is a wonderful friend. He knows how much I love my cows. He was stressed because he was worrying about what his bull may have done to my heifers. He knows I AI and that I don’t want my heifers with a bull until I say so. Johnny works very hard. He does auto body work in Maysville. His wife works at a chicken fast food restaurant. He is about 4 years my junior, but running his bull in the dark and then walking up the hill had finished him. I said, “Come on, Johnny, let’s get inside the shop.” I got a lawn chair and he sat down. He looked up at me. He had on a brown pull-over head cover with an opening for his face. He looked at me and said, “Ron, I am too old to run after cattle. I think 30 years of breathing paint fumes has about got me.” I said, “Johnny, don’t worry about your bull. He did no harm that I cannot take care of. You sit there and rest and when you are done, let me drive you home.”

In a few minutes, Johnny picked up his tobacco stick, a bucket of feed that he had carried and said, “I will walk home. Will you put some water out for my bull.” I said, “I’ll put it out before I go home tonight.” He stood up from the lawn chair and said, “When you bought this place, I thought I was in for trouble. David said you were hard to get along with. Thanks for putting up with me.”

After Johnny left, I went out into the night and stood under the beautiful canopy of stars. The night was crisp and dry. I was just glad to be alive. No reason to be upset over things that happen.

Johnny's Bull In my pen this morning;
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As best as we can tell, he jumped this gate:
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This is looking back toward myside:
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Ron one of my young bulls a couple of years ago jumped a couple of fences and had a night of debauchery with 25 of the neighbours heifers, he was in there less than 24 hrs and 5 of those heifers calved to him, the odds of 5 of 25 being on heat is not high I think the hanky panky tends to bring the others on a bit. The bull got in about 6 weeks before he had intended to put a bull in and he was a very good bull and low BW so neighbour just let things be.
Your going to be hard pressed to keep that bull home now Ron, best of luck.
Ken
 
I am not as astute as most of you folks when it comes to cattle but I have observed over the past 40 years that when a bull wants on the other side of the fence he's going over - or under - or through. I had a neighbor (my cousin) who had this ugly bull that was always in my pasture with my angus girls (and bull). I put him back no less than 4 times. Last time he came over he got his running gear caught in the top wire and dang near ripped it off. I haven't seen him for quite a while since but I understand he speaks with a squeaking voice now.
 
Two words......Hot wire. Gotta be strong enough to knock their blankety blank off! :D

Ron, that is being a nice neighbor. Why make a fuss over normal animal behavior.
 
I don't have a problem with normal animal behavior as long as the owners make reasonable efforts to keep them home and it's on an ongoing problem.
 
branguscowgirl":12o2e4sn said:
Two words......Hot wire. Gotta be strong enough to knock their blankety blank off! :D

Ron, that is being a nice neighbor. Why make a fuss over normal animal behavior.

Ken/Nesi
I am going to run a hot wire from the bull pen over to the fence line I share with Johhnny. Since my bull would rarely if ever be in this pasture. I will place the wire on Johnny's side. I realize most believe it should be his obligation but I already has a good energizer, the line is not far away, and I have plenty of capacity.

It helps me. I don't want to deal with this if I can stop it. Johnny stopped by yesterday evening. He is moving this bull to a pasture across the road. So he cannot get back on my place. He has two bulls and will put the other bull in his pasture that adjoins my open heifers.

Thanks everyone for the comments.
 
TennesseeTuxedo":1u1ysk4r said:
How many cows does Johnny have? I'm surprised to read he has 2 bulls.

Larry, he has two farms and brings them all back to his home in the winter. He needs two bulls to cover both locations. He said that bull is a registered Limousin. His other bull is a rough looking angus. He has about 40 cows. All very rough by my eye. Some look very poor. There is not any uniformity that I can see.

I will bend backwards to hold our relationship together.
 
inyati13":11xp3h0u said:
TennesseeTuxedo":11xp3h0u said:
How many cows does Johnny have? I'm surprised to read he has 2 bulls.

Larry, he has two farms and brings them all back to his home in the winter. He needs two bulls to cover both locations. He said that bull is a registered Limousin. His other bull is a rough looking angus. He has about 40 cows. All very rough by my eye. Some look very poor. There is not any uniformity that I can see.

I will bend backwards to hold our relationship together.

Good neighbors are a treasured commodity.
 
We have a good relationship with our neighbors, a bit of effort on both sides and it works well. They had put a paigewire fencing around their place to keep sheep, etc in, and I had been using that field for hay only for some time..Then I put the cows in there, and they had nearly pushed the fence down rubbing their darned necks on it. I immediately ran a hot wire over top of it and stretched it back out. We don't care who's side of the post someone puts wire, as long as it does what it needs to do. We have a reputation for shooting neighbors dogs around here, and they have some particularly stupid dogs... 2 golden retrievers and a lab, the lab the dumbest of the bunch. I know they're used to livestock, so I'm not worried about them too much, but once I saw 2 of them over in the field. I got on the XR500 and where they were the fence had 5" wire spacing.. they couldn't jump through it at running speed and didn't dare slow down, I chased them along it a couple times, then went home and got the .22 and waited on the other side of a blind corner for them to come walking home.. as soon as I saw them I fired a shot under their legs. I think that cured them, they haven't been back in 2 years now!
 
inyati13":lt64isbf said:
branguscowgirl":lt64isbf said:
Two words......Hot wire. Gotta be strong enough to knock their blankety blank off! :D

Ron, that is being a nice neighbor. Why make a fuss over normal animal behavior.

Ken/Nesi
I am going to run a hot wire from the bull pen over to the fence line I share with Johhnny. Since my bull would rarely if ever be in this pasture. I will place the wire on Johnny's side. I realize most believe it should be his obligation but I already has a good energizer, the line is not far away, and I have plenty of capacity.

It helps me. I don't want to deal with this if I can stop it. Johnny stopped by yesterday evening. He is moving this bull to a pasture across the road. So he cannot get back on my place. He has two bulls and will put the other bull in his pasture that adjoins my open heifers.

Thanks everyone for the comments.
Run 2 wires--one high and one about midway of the fence height. Top one will zap his nose when he sticks it over and the other will get him if he tries going THRU the fence. It's best tho, if the bull is in there with your hot wire when you don't have anything in heat, so he can get trained to the fence--once one is in heat, the bull tend to try it anyway if they don't have prior "experience" with it. Also helps to keep 2 bulls from tearing down 1/2 mile of fence to get at each other if each get a dose of it before hand. I know you AI but figure you have a cleanup bull too.
 
All this effort to keep Bulls under control?? The easy solution has a white face :)


Oh yeah, Ron looks like that gate is only rated up to a frame 5, better upgrade
 
We turn our bull in May for our spring calvers and leave him till the end of June on our place. Then we turn in with the neighbors cows till January when we turn him in with our fall calvers. We do not have to pasture a bull all summer and the neighbor does not have to keep a bull. Best of all neither of us have fix fence from bulls fighting. Works great for both parties. Bull on both sides of the fence is asking for trouble no matter how good your fence is.
 
branguscowgirl":1l8rkipx said:
Two words......Hot wire. Gotta be strong enough to knock their blankety blank off! :D

Ron, that is being a nice neighbor. Why make a fuss over normal animal behavior.


Not necessarily one of the best bull's I ever owned caught the wandering eye.
Caused him to go to Burger King. I didn't want to loose him so I put him my lot
that is seven strand barb wire and two hot on both sides on two different chargers.
That fence is hotter than the hinges on the gates of heII. He would walk up to it and start pushing while
bellering. Never slowed him down when he got the urge to go visit the ladies.
 
Well, y'know.. repeat offenders do need stronger discipline!... I think we'd all be better off if the same punishments were used on humans sometimes.
 
Put up a quarter mile of 14 gauge electric wire today. Objective: keep my neighbor's bull out of my open heifers/cows. Cost me about $90. I never ask my neighbor for one penny or one second of his time. I just ask him if I could go on his land and put up electric wire. He said "yes".
These are my open cows/heifers on my side:
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The hotwire I put up on Johnny's side:
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As far as the wire, looks good.. Now just make sure your fencer has good ground and all is working right on that end and unless he's he##bent on going through it, it should work well.
 
I would have ran that differently.
I run the top hot on top of the fence so when the bull walks up and want's to stick his head
over he gets educated. Found out in my case years ago the top strand is the most important.
Cow is a slut and if the bull can stick his head over the fence electricity or not the outcome
was not usually good. Won't take him long either to walk up and listen to it.
They learn right quick when it is working and it is not.
Mine are also equipped with lights so I can see if the fence is gone to ground

http://portraitswithhorses.com/blog/?p=2245
 

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