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<blockquote data-quote="cotton1" data-source="post: 1291981" data-attributes="member: 14689"><p>Dubachero, I am wanting to make smaller more effecient cows. My herd has been mostly 7-7.5 fs cows that are 1600-2000lbs. About 4 years ago I AI bred a few cows to a smaller bull. The cows from that mating are now mature and fixin to drop their 2nd babys in Jan. I weighed them recently and found they were 1270-1290lbs, and they are 5.7-5.9 fs. Their calves were just as good if not better, weaning in the high 6 weight range. I liked that move and since making this post have found a lot of commercial breeders, and seedstock producers of other breeds are in the 5-6fs with 12-1400lb weights. It seems if I cant offer that type of replacement stock to the commercial sector I am putting myself at a disadvantage. Not to mention the overall advantage of running smaller cows that require less inputs but will produce as much weaning weight as the larger cows. I understand what you are saying about the 7-7.5s fs though with the carcass volume. My new bull is fs 6.1, and I hope to level off in that area over the next few years.I still think there will be enough frame there to offer an option to somebody with mama cows in the 5-5.5 range looking for a little bit more from their calves,but still be close, not so much of a jump. The only bull I can think of that might make smaller Charolais is Bluegrass. My bull is a Bluegrass grandson, by Ledger. I have some embryos off a very old bull that might fit the bill too, when the day comes to get calfs out of them. Thanks all, Cotton1</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cotton1, post: 1291981, member: 14689"] Dubachero, I am wanting to make smaller more effecient cows. My herd has been mostly 7-7.5 fs cows that are 1600-2000lbs. About 4 years ago I AI bred a few cows to a smaller bull. The cows from that mating are now mature and fixin to drop their 2nd babys in Jan. I weighed them recently and found they were 1270-1290lbs, and they are 5.7-5.9 fs. Their calves were just as good if not better, weaning in the high 6 weight range. I liked that move and since making this post have found a lot of commercial breeders, and seedstock producers of other breeds are in the 5-6fs with 12-1400lb weights. It seems if I cant offer that type of replacement stock to the commercial sector I am putting myself at a disadvantage. Not to mention the overall advantage of running smaller cows that require less inputs but will produce as much weaning weight as the larger cows. I understand what you are saying about the 7-7.5s fs though with the carcass volume. My new bull is fs 6.1, and I hope to level off in that area over the next few years.I still think there will be enough frame there to offer an option to somebody with mama cows in the 5-5.5 range looking for a little bit more from their calves,but still be close, not so much of a jump. The only bull I can think of that might make smaller Charolais is Bluegrass. My bull is a Bluegrass grandson, by Ledger. I have some embryos off a very old bull that might fit the bill too, when the day comes to get calfs out of them. Thanks all, Cotton1 [/QUOTE]
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