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<blockquote data-quote="Brandonm2" data-source="post: 367607" data-attributes="member: 2095"><p>NO. It worked (to an extent). Back then the ELITE bulls (of all breeds) were frame 7 to frame 9. The bigger the bull the better. Giant cows were the NORM for many registered breeders. Moderation became a buzzword. Angus sold a lot of bulls to people with hard doing pencil gutted continental cows. Bull studs scaled back to frame 5s and 6s. There are Simmental Herds that were all red/white frame 8 cows back then that are solid black frame 5/6 herds now. Gelbviehs (which used to be monsters) actually won the 'most efficient' breed of cows at the last round of MARC testing. Pushing EPDs and performance still leads to frame creep. Why Angus added the $EN, mature height, and mature weight EPDs. The debate now is NOT between frame 4 people and frame 8 people (just about everybody now accepts that a frame 8 moose is not practical out on the ranch) it is between the frame 4 people and the Frame high 6 low 7 people. Cows have gotten deeper, wider, thicker, longer too. A lot of cows at 6 frame now weigh 1600+. That is a lot different animal than the 1600 pound frame 8s a lot of us remember from 1990 so the relationship between frame and weight has to also be rethought.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brandonm2, post: 367607, member: 2095"] NO. It worked (to an extent). Back then the ELITE bulls (of all breeds) were frame 7 to frame 9. The bigger the bull the better. Giant cows were the NORM for many registered breeders. Moderation became a buzzword. Angus sold a lot of bulls to people with hard doing pencil gutted continental cows. Bull studs scaled back to frame 5s and 6s. There are Simmental Herds that were all red/white frame 8 cows back then that are solid black frame 5/6 herds now. Gelbviehs (which used to be monsters) actually won the 'most efficient' breed of cows at the last round of MARC testing. Pushing EPDs and performance still leads to frame creep. Why Angus added the $EN, mature height, and mature weight EPDs. The debate now is NOT between frame 4 people and frame 8 people (just about everybody now accepts that a frame 8 moose is not practical out on the ranch) it is between the frame 4 people and the Frame high 6 low 7 people. Cows have gotten deeper, wider, thicker, longer too. A lot of cows at 6 frame now weigh 1600+. That is a lot different animal than the 1600 pound frame 8s a lot of us remember from 1990 so the relationship between frame and weight has to also be rethought. [/QUOTE]
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