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<blockquote data-quote="cattle_gal" data-source="post: 60404" data-attributes="member: 643"><p>Correct EPD's are far from exact. They are a theory. With Angus In '77 they probably were 0, I think now they are 70-77 points/lbs up. Like I said before I've seen lower EPD cattle do better than higher EPD cattle. The theory failed. But by god a producer can say they've got a high WW EPD calf even though he looks like a piece of junk. And sadly someone would buy a bull come yearling based on the EPD number even though he sucked on actual weaning weight - which of course only his WW EPD would be disclosed not his actual 205 weight. I get catalogs all the</p><p>time that never say what the wean or yearling weight was, but have the EPD's there to sell him, except when some sell as a 18 month old that's fat as all get out and looks stout. </p><p></p><p>In order for there to be a X number above the average we have to start out with a number which would be the breed average. What is, say, the Angus WW or YW average lbs? Does anyone know? Then we can go from there and determine what he is theoretically to weigh. Of course there's all the add in this and subtract that in those equations. The X number still means nothing to a potential buyer who wants the best bull he can, looking at all breeds. I'm all for an across breeds EPD (using the same equations and rules), or should I say more for an across breeds</p><p>APD's. Actual Profit Difference. </p><p></p><p>We all know that some breeds knock the socks off of other breeds for traits. But what if one breed knows they aren't the top in a trait when compared to other breeds and don't want to lose all the marketing they have done to where they promote optimum this or that. They wouldn't be</p><p>very keen on wanting producers to know that there is some other breed out there better by making an across breeds EPD/APD avalible so easily.</p><p></p><p>Anyone know what is the percentage is that Jr is going to be exactly half of each parents genes as the EPD's calculate? Add mom and dad together and divide by 2 and that's what Jr will be. Hmm no numbers until Jr has his information in on that weight and living conditions. </p><p></p><p>Speaking of living conditions does anyone know how they calculate this? Those in the midwest with easy conditions versus the arid and mountain conditions?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cattle_gal, post: 60404, member: 643"] Correct EPD’s are far from exact. They are a theory. With Angus In ‘77 they probably were 0, I think now they are 70-77 points/lbs up. Like I said before I’ve seen lower EPD cattle do better than higher EPD cattle. The theory failed. But by god a producer can say they’ve got a high WW EPD calf even though he looks like a piece of junk. And sadly someone would buy a bull come yearling based on the EPD number even though he sucked on actual weaning weight - which of course only his WW EPD would be disclosed not his actual 205 weight. I get catalogs all the time that never say what the wean or yearling weight was, but have the EPD’s there to sell him, except when some sell as a 18 month old that’s fat as all get out and looks stout. In order for there to be a X number above the average we have to start out with a number which would be the breed average. What is, say, the Angus WW or YW average lbs? Does anyone know? Then we can go from there and determine what he is theoretically to weigh. Of course there’s all the add in this and subtract that in those equations. The X number still means nothing to a potential buyer who wants the best bull he can, looking at all breeds. I’m all for an across breeds EPD (using the same equations and rules), or should I say more for an across breeds APD’s. Actual Profit Difference. We all know that some breeds knock the socks off of other breeds for traits. But what if one breed knows they aren’t the top in a trait when compared to other breeds and don’t want to lose all the marketing they have done to where they promote optimum this or that. They wouldn’t be very keen on wanting producers to know that there is some other breed out there better by making an across breeds EPD/APD avalible so easily. Anyone know what is the percentage is that Jr is going to be exactly half of each parents genes as the EPD’s calculate? Add mom and dad together and divide by 2 and that’s what Jr will be. Hmm no numbers until Jr has his information in on that weight and living conditions. Speaking of living conditions does anyone know how they calculate this? Those in the midwest with easy conditions versus the arid and mountain conditions? [/QUOTE]
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