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How's all that alternative energy stuff work'n out for 'ya?
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<blockquote data-quote="1wlimo" data-source="post: 910460" data-attributes="member: 16646"><p>Getting facts on lots of contentiousne issues is hard because the sides tend to hide things, and I have slow internet speed so it takes a long time. </p><p></p><p>Wind energy, using Uk figures as this was the easiest for me to do right now.</p><p></p><p>The mean electric price to the consumer is around a 11pence per kwh. Initial charges being 23 pence per kwh for so many hours then lower rates for more usage, or lower rates off peak. </p><p></p><p>Taking this then a small 55kwh turbine will repay the capital investment in 13 years without government or feed in tariff support. With support for feed in tariff's of 23 pence per kwh it will pay back in 5 years. </p><p></p><p>Projects of over 5MW do not receive feed in tariffs, but they may benefit from ROC's which is like carbon credit offsetting payments. These large scale projects have an individual turbine pay back of 1 to 5 years, however this does not include legal and infrastructure costs. </p><p></p><p>The cost of building and running a new coal fired power-station is around 2.5 to 4.5 pence per kwh, wind is 3 to 4 pence per kwh, and nuclear is around 7 pence per kwh. </p><p></p><p>This data is using local government figures, prices from electricity pricing data sites etc. </p><p></p><p>Wind power is not without it's problems, it needs wind and a steady consistent wind. Hence the North sea is a good place to build them, and hill tops, etc. They can produce power when the system may not need it, but if we were to use energy differently form now this would help to reduce these effects. So charging electric vehicles, cooling cold stores/freezer units, pumping water, storage heat units, etc when power production is high and not when power production drops. This smooths out the supply and use. Coal fire stations are not very good at supply as it takes them a long time to get up to speed, you have to run them and not produce power for the times that you need it, etc. The whole area of power use and generation is difficult. There is no one answer, and every location is different.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="1wlimo, post: 910460, member: 16646"] Getting facts on lots of contentiousne issues is hard because the sides tend to hide things, and I have slow internet speed so it takes a long time. Wind energy, using Uk figures as this was the easiest for me to do right now. The mean electric price to the consumer is around a 11pence per kwh. Initial charges being 23 pence per kwh for so many hours then lower rates for more usage, or lower rates off peak. Taking this then a small 55kwh turbine will repay the capital investment in 13 years without government or feed in tariff support. With support for feed in tariff's of 23 pence per kwh it will pay back in 5 years. Projects of over 5MW do not receive feed in tariffs, but they may benefit from ROC's which is like carbon credit offsetting payments. These large scale projects have an individual turbine pay back of 1 to 5 years, however this does not include legal and infrastructure costs. The cost of building and running a new coal fired power-station is around 2.5 to 4.5 pence per kwh, wind is 3 to 4 pence per kwh, and nuclear is around 7 pence per kwh. This data is using local government figures, prices from electricity pricing data sites etc. Wind power is not without it's problems, it needs wind and a steady consistent wind. Hence the North sea is a good place to build them, and hill tops, etc. They can produce power when the system may not need it, but if we were to use energy differently form now this would help to reduce these effects. So charging electric vehicles, cooling cold stores/freezer units, pumping water, storage heat units, etc when power production is high and not when power production drops. This smooths out the supply and use. Coal fire stations are not very good at supply as it takes them a long time to get up to speed, you have to run them and not produce power for the times that you need it, etc. The whole area of power use and generation is difficult. There is no one answer, and every location is different. [/QUOTE]
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