How Many of You Have Signed Up For Cost Share Programs?

[Crowderfarms]

We have. What's wrong with getting a little help to improve an operation with better Facilities,Better Pastures, Ponds, and other improvements?If we dont sign up for programs being offered, someone else will get the $$. I'm not ashamed at all.

 

[dun]

We have. What's wrong with getting a little help to improve an operation with better Facilities,Better Pastures, Ponds, and other improvements?If we dont sign up for programs being offered, someone else will get the $$. I'm not ashamed at all.

I'm not either. We've done fencing and water through NRCS. This year we're doing WSG planting with MDC {MO conservation department)

dun

 

[Mahoney Pursley Ranch]

You sound like a really nice guy TTCLM what with your tape recorder and gettin people fired and all. :roll:

 

[aplusmnt]

Surely they have some documentation, with specs on it you could have asked for instead of asking the Secretary? I never trust people, I like to see it in writing it surely points out things in the application or somewhere?

 

[stocky]

I have signed up and participated in a few drought-feed programs. The fence programs and the water programs that I checked into would all cost me more to do it to their specs than to do it the sensible way without their help. The drought-feed programs were all a big help, except for the fact that when the feed program was anounced, the feed cost went up 50-100 percent immediately, which canceled out any help, but I would have had to pay the extra, even if I had not signed up. The other program I participated in one lime application together with clover seeding in existing fescue stands. The number one rule is that you dont do anything until they have the specs in writing. If you do go ahead and do something then you have to understand that you will almost never get anything back for this work. The problem is that most of the time they dont write the rules and specs until it is too late for you to go by their specs to qualify. So, even though the lady told you to go ahead, you cant do that, she is not the one to make the final decision. It doesnt seem fair, and it isnt, but it is the way it is. Do not expect to get reimbursed for anything done before the specs are in writing and issued publicly. There is no common sense used in writing the rules, so you cannot outguess them ahead of time. So, if you must go ahead, dont plan on collecting any money and you will not be disappointed.

 

[stocky]

Sounds like you and the others certainly should win your case, and I hope you do. That is different than any situation I have ever been in with those programs. I have never seen a situation where there was an actual contract to be signed by both the agency and the farmer that did not contain the specs. I have had to wait several times for a contract because the specs werent written. Every contract I have signed had the specs written in it so there was no confusion or question. I wish you luck, and it is a shame that you and the others have to spend money on lawyers to get what is due you.

 

[ERNIBIGB]

Got my check in the mail yesterday.I was approved for cost share on bull purchase and building a holding/weaning pen.After getting my premise ID and BQA in order I found and bought a bull then bought heavy duty steel panels and put them up. I sent the documentation and recpts and a few pictures. No one even came out to look at anything but they are welcome to at any time.Got a good looking bull and a nice holding pen for total cost of about $3000 plus my fuel to pick up the bull and about a days work to build the pen. I needed both whether the state helped or not so I was glad to get a little help.

 

[Cabo]

I signed up to sow some pasture and sprig some bermuda on a farm that I just bought, and bought a squeeze chute and corral panels on the cattle improvement initative. Glad to get it. If our gov. has enough money to waste like it is in LA I don't mind getting this.

 

[Cabo]

By the way, ERNIBIGB, where in West TN are you located?

 

[tom4018]

We are, in the forage improvement program.

 

[Crowderfarms]

Well I had been warned before that she might try and pull a stunt. I just wanted to be ready. I wanted to protect myself. If you call me a mean person for wanting to protect my own best interests then so be it. Also if you read you would understand that I was not the only one involved here. So people wanting to protect themselves from unscrupulous people makes us bad?

TurnThatLawyerLooseMaw, How could there be such a problem with fences?A taped conversation is Illegal, unless the other party gives consent to the taping.The Cross Fence Program, clearly states the fences must be constucted of a minimum of 4 strands barb wire, or Field Fence,and in no way will you be compesated with boundry or line fences. Electric fences dont meet the criteria either, what did you do wrong?

 

[denoginnizer]

Is it not true that after the gov pays for a fence or a cross fence it cant be legally moved/removed for many(5-10) years, without repaying the cost share money ,plus interest, plus liquidation fee?

 

[Crowderfarms]

Is it not true that after the gov pays for a fence or a cross fence it cant be legally moved/removed for many(5-10) years, without repaying the cost share money ,plus interest, plus liquidation fee?

Not that I'm aware of.

 

[dun]

The Cross Fence Program, clearly states the fences must be constucted of a minimum of 4 strands barb wire, or Field Fence,and in no way will you be compesated with boundry or line fences. Electric fences dont meet the criteria either, what did you do wrong?

Each area has different programs and requirements. We got cost share for high tensile electric, single strand.

dun

 

[Crowderfarms]

The Cross Fence Program, clearly states the fences must be constucted of a minimum of 4 strands barb wire, or Field Fence,and in no way will you be compesated with boundry or line fences. Electric fences dont meet the criteria either, what did you do wrong?

Each area has different programs and requirements. We got cost share for high tensile electric, single strand.

dun

That's interesting Dun, They told us we could use electric only as a secondary measure, if we wanted to along with barb wire/ field fence.

 

[dun]

The Cross Fence Program, clearly states the fences must be constucted of a minimum of 4 strands barb wire, or Field Fence,and in no way will you be compesated with boundry or line fences. Electric fences dont meet the criteria either, what did you do wrong?

Each area has different programs and requirements. We got cost share for high tensile electric, single strand.

dun

That's interesting Dun, They told us we could use electric only as a secondary measure, if we wanted to along with barb wire/ field fence.

We've strung miles of the stuff. They even have a fencing manual that shows the proper way of building it. Some of the programs may have bizarre soounding over enginering, but I found a while back that if it's built the way they illustrate it will last, if you do it "a better way" it generally isn;t as solid. All of our stuff is through a DSP-3 program. No idea what it stands for but it pays for water, fence, seeding, etc. But at least here you have to have attended a grazing school and all projects have to be approved by the soil conservation board. There is also a fairly low total lifetime reimbursement maximum for DSP-3.
Anyway that's how it's done here.

 

[ERNIBIGB]

I am actually in the souteast corner of west TN or the southwest corner of middle TN. Hardin Co/Wayne Co line.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Got my check in the mail yesterday.I was approved for cost share on bull purchase and building a holding/weaning pen.After getting my premise ID and BQA in order I found and bought a bull then bought heavy duty steel panels and put them up. I sent the documentation and recpts and a few pictures. No one even came out to look at anything but they are welcome to at any time.Got a good looking bull and a nice holding pen for total cost of about $3000 plus my fuel to pick up the bull and about a days work to build the pen. I needed both whether the state helped or not so I was glad to get a little help.

Cost Share to buy a bull is flat out welfare no matter what name you want to hang on it.
I can here ya'll now complainig about welfare while your hand is stuck out.

Can't sit around complaining they won't work and justify it in your mind its ok for the government to buy your cattle and fence.

Kinda hypocritical huh.

 

[Frankie]

We've used several cost share programs. There's a creek that runs right down the middle of our home place. If my Dad hadn't got conservation help to put some dams in to stop the soil from washing away, we probably wouldn't have a pasture today. Eventually, he bought his own little 'dozer and built some more dams. Some of them had washed away when we moved here, so we use the cost share program to get them improved or fixed.

It's a much larger program than just helping out farmers or ranchers. If farmers go broke because they can't sell their crops for enough to live on, who will feed this country? While we do import food, we're one of the few countries in the world that can actually feed our own population. I don't think it would be a good thing if we start depending on another country for wheat to make our bread.

 

[MikeC]

Got my check in the mail yesterday.I was approved for cost share on bull purchase and building a holding/weaning pen.After getting my premise ID and BQA in order I found and bought a bull then bought heavy duty steel panels and put them up. I sent the documentation and recpts and a few pictures. No one even came out to look at anything but they are welcome to at any time.Got a good looking bull and a nice holding pen for total cost of about $3000 plus my fuel to pick up the bull and about a days work to build the pen. I needed both whether the state helped or not so I was glad to get a little help.

Cost Share to buy a bull is flat out welfare no matter what name you want to hang on it.
I can here ya'll now complainig about welfare while your hand is stuck out.

Can't sit around complaining they won't work and justify it in your mind its ok for the government to buy your cattle and fence.

Kinda hypocritical huh.

Your point well taken CB, I cannot say that I disagree totally.

But if the USDA offers these programs and "SOMEONE" will be the recipient of the money offered in these programs, most feel justified in taking it. I cannot say that I disagree with this either.

We need to clean house in politics. Everyone politician needs to go. All the way up from each local goverment official to the president and start over from scratch.