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<blockquote data-quote="JustSimmental" data-source="post: 845980" data-attributes="member: 14624"><p>On registered cattle, I begin with their market price, so I have a good idea of what they are worth swinging, then I price them based on performance, then genetics. We normally sell cattle annually at a breeders sale with only a few private treaty sales. </p><p></p><p>We market cattle much different than most people do, for example, once a cow has produced 2 heifers or is over 5 years of age she is sold, because her past calves genetics/performance is better than she is/was. (there is always the exception) </p><p></p><p>This works well because other breeders or commercial folks can buy a proven cow with many more years of production left in her. We call it an annual mature cow dispersal altho they are mostly 5-6 yrs of age and some even as 4 yr olds. </p><p></p><p>We maintain a cow herd based on several attributes where performance is the name of the game. We guarantee every animal for breeding soundness and these cows have a proven track record for performance. </p><p></p><p>The cattle we offer for sale will have the following traits:</p><p>1. Structurally Sound </p><p>2. Phenotype typical of the breed</p><p>3. Good Udder attachment and teat placement </p><p>4. Moderate milk production </p><p>5. Reproductively Sound </p><p>6. Good Disposition </p><p>7. Mothering Ability </p><p>8. Calving Interval < 365 Days </p><p>9. Weaning weight of calves at 50% of Dam's Weight </p><p>10. Unassisted calving </p><p>11. Fertility </p><p>12. Capacity </p><p>13. Longevity </p><p>14. Age at Puberty </p><p>15. Moderate Frame Score </p><p>16. Easy fleshing on available resources </p><p>17. Carcass merit </p><p>18. Moderate Mature Weight </p><p>19. Maternal Calving Ease </p><p>20. Maternal Weaning Weight </p><p></p><p>We normally set a minimum on our cattle at a sale, but those 4.5.6 yr old cows (bred) normally will bring >3K at a sale. We don't send culls to a sale ever and what is represented at a sale is "our best".</p><p></p><p>An example:</p><p>We recently sold a 5 yr old Black Simmental cow at a sale that was bred to a leading Angus sire to calve in October/ ultrasounded with a heifer calf with the following EPD's:</p><p>CE: ---</p><p>BW: - 3.3</p><p>WW: 42</p><p>YW: 92</p><p>MCE:---</p><p>MM: 6.3</p><p>MWW: 27.1</p><p>CW: 3.4</p><p>YG: 0.12</p><p>BF: 0.06</p><p>Marb: 0.92</p><p>REA: .34</p><p></p><p>API: 154</p><p>TI: 92</p><p>This heifer calf will rank in the Top 1% of all Simm/Angus nationwide.</p><p></p><p>This Black Irish Kansas cow meets all the attributes above and her last 2 calves (bulls) weaned over 800 lbs at 205 days. She is now in a Donor Program. Do they pay for them-- you bet.</p><p></p><p>Private treaty-- we open our heifer group up to 4H kids--first, with a buy back option.</p><p>Open heifers normally sell very good and can sell all we want to, private treaty.</p><p>If someone wants quite a few heifers we normally cut the price based on how many they buy.</p><p></p><p>Our Bull calves sell quickly too and price them half what a normal 2 yr old would bring. An example:</p><p></p><p>This PB calf brought $1800 @ 8 months of age-- the guy never even tried to haggle me, as I would have sent him on his way.</p><p></p><p>CE: 8.6 </p><p>BW: 0.6</p><p>WW: 45.3</p><p>YW: 85.8 </p><p>MCE: 6.9</p><p>MK: 4.5</p><p>MWW: 27.1 </p><p>Stay: 22.1</p><p>CW: 14.5</p><p>YG: 0.02</p><p>Marb: 0.48</p><p>BF: 0.01 </p><p>REA: 0.34 </p><p>Shr: -0.57</p><p> </p><p>API: 145 </p><p>TI: 82</p><p></p><p>What is Top % worth? >> As much as the market will bare.</p><p></p><p>JS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JustSimmental, post: 845980, member: 14624"] On registered cattle, I begin with their market price, so I have a good idea of what they are worth swinging, then I price them based on performance, then genetics. We normally sell cattle annually at a breeders sale with only a few private treaty sales. We market cattle much different than most people do, for example, once a cow has produced 2 heifers or is over 5 years of age she is sold, because her past calves genetics/performance is better than she is/was. (there is always the exception) This works well because other breeders or commercial folks can buy a proven cow with many more years of production left in her. We call it an annual mature cow dispersal altho they are mostly 5-6 yrs of age and some even as 4 yr olds. We maintain a cow herd based on several attributes where performance is the name of the game. We guarantee every animal for breeding soundness and these cows have a proven track record for performance. The cattle we offer for sale will have the following traits: 1. Structurally Sound 2. Phenotype typical of the breed 3. Good Udder attachment and teat placement 4. Moderate milk production 5. Reproductively Sound 6. Good Disposition 7. Mothering Ability 8. Calving Interval < 365 Days 9. Weaning weight of calves at 50% of Dam's Weight 10. Unassisted calving 11. Fertility 12. Capacity 13. Longevity 14. Age at Puberty 15. Moderate Frame Score 16. Easy fleshing on available resources 17. Carcass merit 18. Moderate Mature Weight 19. Maternal Calving Ease 20. Maternal Weaning Weight We normally set a minimum on our cattle at a sale, but those 4.5.6 yr old cows (bred) normally will bring >3K at a sale. We don't send culls to a sale ever and what is represented at a sale is "our best". An example: We recently sold a 5 yr old Black Simmental cow at a sale that was bred to a leading Angus sire to calve in October/ ultrasounded with a heifer calf with the following EPD's: CE: --- BW: - 3.3 WW: 42 YW: 92 MCE:--- MM: 6.3 MWW: 27.1 CW: 3.4 YG: 0.12 BF: 0.06 Marb: 0.92 REA: .34 API: 154 TI: 92 This heifer calf will rank in the Top 1% of all Simm/Angus nationwide. This Black Irish Kansas cow meets all the attributes above and her last 2 calves (bulls) weaned over 800 lbs at 205 days. She is now in a Donor Program. Do they pay for them-- you bet. Private treaty-- we open our heifer group up to 4H kids--first, with a buy back option. Open heifers normally sell very good and can sell all we want to, private treaty. If someone wants quite a few heifers we normally cut the price based on how many they buy. Our Bull calves sell quickly too and price them half what a normal 2 yr old would bring. An example: This PB calf brought $1800 @ 8 months of age-- the guy never even tried to haggle me, as I would have sent him on his way. CE: 8.6 BW: 0.6 WW: 45.3 YW: 85.8 MCE: 6.9 MK: 4.5 MWW: 27.1 Stay: 22.1 CW: 14.5 YG: 0.02 Marb: 0.48 BF: 0.01 REA: 0.34 Shr: -0.57 API: 145 TI: 82 What is Top % worth? >> As much as the market will bare. JS [/QUOTE]
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