Horse Training work?

[flaboy-]

I got your attention huh?

Some may remember my experience with my Idiot when I first got him at 13-14 months old. He was a stud and proceeded to charge me twice the first day I had him. Kicked me once and did some other stuff. That's where he got the name Idiot.

Well the old boy now 24 months old and I came to an agreement over the months. He decided I am herd boss not him.

Now being old school I was never much for the formal training stuff. Just get them to 2 years old and climb on them. Well since I am no longer a youngster I decided I would go with a little of this and a little of that training suggested by the big three trainers. Well guess what? IT WORKS!

I climbed on Idiot this past weekend for the first time under full tack and he didn't try to kill me. Against my old school ways I did not try to get him to move under me even though I wanted to. I got on and off a few times and then put my GF on him :lol: She was never in danger as he knows when I have him on the lead he is to be good. I managed to back him a little and then forward a little in baby steps. I ended up being able to lead him around the round pen with her on his back several times with no incidents.

I know this is just the beginning but it is a great big step for this boy trust me.

All the time I spent on ground work and respect is now paying dividends.

 

[hayray]

I got your attention huh?





Now being old school I was never much for the formal training stuff. Just get them to 2 years old and climb on them. Well since I am no longer a youngster I decided I would go with a little of this and a little of that training suggested by the big three trainers. Well guess what? IT WORKS!


All the time I spent on ground work and respect is now paying dividends.

Glad to hear things are going well, but I am not sure what you mean by the old school. But the old school is were I learned how to train and it is much different than what you described as just jumping on the back and going. If that is what some one is telling you than that would not be correct to say. Good luck and keep up the good work.

 

[flaboy-]

Hayray, old school was to teach them to lead in a halter or the homemade cowboy halters we used. Get their feet up. Get them to two years old, get someone to manage the head while the other person somehow got a saddle on them usually with out a pad because two items was too much to handle. Then the person on the head would try to control them long enough to let the second person get on and then he let go. The second person just rode the buck out of them from there. All training took place from the saddle after that.

There were no round pens, training halters, or plastic bags on sticks back then.

It would sometimes take three or four men to hold the horses head down long enough to get them saddled and get someone in the saddle. That's what I mean by old school.

 

[flaboy-]

Glad to hear things are going well, but I am not sure what you mean by the old school. But the old school is were I learned how to train and it is much different than what you described as just jumping on the back and going. If that is what some one is telling you than that would not be correct to say. Good luck and keep up the good work.

Oh, I forgot. Nobody told me what old school is. It came from four generations of crackers doing it down here. ;-)

Heck we had a stud off of King Ranch back in the 60's that they couldn't break (the original owner, not King Ranch). My dad watched the pro try to ride him to no avail. My dad loaded him up, took him to the house, took him into an open pasture and had me get on him. I think I was 13-14. He bucked a little, ran a little, bucked a little then quit. We bought him.

 

[hayray]

Hayray, old school was to teach them to lead in a halter or the homemade cowboy halters we used. Get their feet up. Get them to two years old, get someone to manage the head while the other person somehow got a saddle on them usually with out a pad because two items was too much to handle. Then the person on the head would try to control them long enough to let the second person get on and then he let go. The second person just rode the buck out of them from there. All training took place from the saddle after that.

There were no round pens, training halters, or plastic bags on sticks back then.

It would sometimes take three or four men to hold the horses head down long enough to get them saddled and get someone in the saddle. That's what I mean by old school.

Well that is not just old school, that is just skipping basics, they are still doing that here in the "New" school. The round pen has been around a long time and was used extensivley during the cowboy ear when cattle out fits hired bronc busters to get horses broke for the cattle drives to the rail heads. There has always been high level and academic horsemanship going well back into the 1600's that was way more developed than a lot of people today that are trying to reivent the wheel. One thing to keep in mind is that as we move away from in years from a society that once used horse for transportation and utilitarian purposes that a lot of good horsemanship is hard to find as that generation has passed on for the most part, and as a whole horsemanship has degraded a lot in the last several decades because of this, so it is easy to assume because the average person sees so much poor training and then comes across a good method of training they assume it to be new.

 

[clampitt]

Hay,Hayray from Mich.You are right about one thing there have been round pens for a long time.But evidently you aint never been to Texas.There was a snubbing post in the middle of the pen and you run em in roped and choked em down got hackamoure with a blind on it on him some times tied down to do it.then get em up and saddle up climb on raise the blind and it was on.John Burrus at Indian Gap now in Stephenville when I worked for him had a snubbbing horse.A big gray stud,You could saddle a bronc.John had a bucking chute in the pen run em in catch their head and let them out on the lead he would pull the horse and had him leading fairly well in a bit.Then saddle up and climb on off all of you went the bronc couldn't get away and in a little while was going at a lope.John would just hand you the lead and you were on your own.All these were 3 and 4 yr olds they raised and had not been handled at all.We never crippled or killed one and they all made pretty nice.From the 40s to the mid 70s ever calf roping at every major pro rodeo had been won on a Burrus horse.And I'll tell ya one thing them Florida crackers are pretty good cowboys to be from the sunshine state.Don't ever count one out.

 

[flaboy-]

What I want to know is when did cutting horse riders start hanging onto the horn. I ain't never seen a cracker cutter holding on to horn like a rank beginner. Heck we even forget to use it when breaking a bucking problem.

Where did all the real cowboys go? Now I got to admit at my age I will grab the horn when my Bronco Skip starts bucking if I have time. :shock:

 

[MillIronQH]

What I want to know is when did cutting horse riders start hanging onto the horn. I ain't never seen a cracker cutter holding on to horn like a rank beginner. Heck we even forget to use it when breaking a bucking problem.

Where did all the real cowboys go? Now I got to admit at my age I will grab the horn when my Bronco Skip starts bucking if I have time. :shock:

Keeping a hand on the horn is kind of a fashion statement in cutting. Just like the ultra loose reins and the big long legged chaps that cover your feet so the judge can't see what you're doing with your spurs.Z

 

[ALACOWMAN]

What I want to know is when did cutting horse riders start hanging onto the horn. I ain't never seen a cracker cutter holding on to horn like a rank beginner. Heck we even forget to use it when breaking a bucking problem.

Where did all the real cowboys go? Now I got to admit at my age I will grab the horn when my Bronco Skip starts bucking if I have time. :shock:

• Keeping a hand on the horn is kind of a fashion statement

in cutting. Just like the ultra loose reins and the big long legged chaps that cover your feet so the judge can't see what you're doing with your spurs.Z

you sure that fashion statement wasnt started by some one who got chunked on the ass a few times

 

[spinandslide]

Very good to hear flaboy!

Around here, we have the hop on and ride the buck out cowboys..

My husband has started all our babies, just recently started our two year old..he establishes the basics on the ground and doesn't let them "know" they can buck..this two year old has 10 rides on him and rides quieter then some older horses in the barn where he keeps him.

Sarah

 

[flaboy-]

Well getting old is no fun so I tried some of that ground work and stuff to assist my old aging bones. My problem was the "green broke" one. I and still trying to ride the buck out of him. Score - him 1 flaboy 20. Got to admit though (knock on wood) he has not tried to buck since he threw me and I got back on him and ran him across the field two more times.

 

[tukie]

Old school for us was teaching them the old fashioned way....took months to get their trust, by petting, then grooming picking up their feet, and working around them daily until they trusted you implicitly. Then you gradually stuck one of the kids on them and let them get used to that, then the bareback pad, then us....we never had a bucker until I tried the roundpenning thingy. The old way took longer, but I think it has a sound foundation as well.
T.

 

[chippie]

Congratulations!

I think that the key is what you said -- you have his respect and trust.

Groundwork lays a good foundation for the training ahead.

Sounds like you are on the road to success.

 

[ATovet35]

My husband is from "the old school" and in the past few years has started using some different techniques. Altho you can see the old cowboys still. But the last 4 2 yr olds that we broke it has been my 1 yr old on them first. If they buck they pull him off and so on till they are done. Seems to work well for them. Not me Im not getting on no crazy horse I wait till they are broke enough that I can stay on when they buck.. Im not into the c buck stuff

 

[chippie]

....the last 4 2 yr olds that we broke it has been my 1 yr old on them first. If they buck they pull him off and so on till they are done.....

Please tell me that this is a typo. They aren't putting a baby on the horse, are they :shock:

Talk about child endangerment.

 

[flaboy-]

Well shoot, Michael Jackson hangs his over hotel railings. Would rather have one fall off a horse than one fall several stories to the hard ground.

I do agree with you though I wouldn't be doing it either.