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<blockquote data-quote="Michelle" data-source="post: 374065" data-attributes="member: 2301"><p>Bill S.311 has the potential to prevent you from being able to haul your animal to compete, to rodeo, to breed, to sell at a sale or privately, to cross statelines and so on as it currently reads as it can be interpretted by those who would benefit or feel "rightous" in preventing rodeo competitors, barrel racers, 4-H competitors, breeders, sellers, from doing what they enjoy doing for sport or employment. It opens the equine world up to being told who, what, when and where you can do what you can do with your horses. What everyone also needs to realize is that this is NOT going to stop with horses...it is going to progress to every meat food source out there, sport, showing, ect. </p><p></p><p>Here is a copy of one of the e-mails I received on this subject today...now, they aren't just telling you that you can't slaughter a horse for any reason, it is set up so that it is possible that anyone can LEGALLY tell you that you can't do what you love....and they would have the standing to prosecute you for it....do you haul your barrel horse to arena's to compete? </p><p></p><p>"I just wanted to bring you up to date on a bill that makes me </p><p>sick to my stomach to think about and how it could cripple the </p><p>horse industry in America. This is S.311 pertaining to the </p><p>banning slaughter. I have copied and pasted the update from the </p><p>Library of Congress website below. </p><p>> </p><p>>S.311 </p><p>>Title: A bill to amend the Horse Protection Act to prohibit </p><p>the shipping, transporting, moving, delivering, receiving, </p><p>possessing, purchasing, selling, or donation of horses and </p><p>other equines to be slaughtered for human consumption, and for </p><p>other purposes. </p><p>>Sponsor: Sen Landrieu, Mary L. [LA] (introduced </p><p>1/17/2007) Cosponsors (25) </p><p>>Related Bills: H.R.503 </p><p>>Latest Major Action: 4/25/2007 Senate committee/subcommittee </p><p>actions. Status: Committee on Commerce, Science, and </p><p>Transportation. Ordered to be reported without amendment </p><p>favorably. </p><p>> </p><p>>--------------------------------------------------------------- </p><p>----------------- </p><p>> </p><p>>ALL ACTIONS: </p><p>> 1/17/2007: </p><p>> Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, </p><p>Science, and Transportation. </p><p>> 4/25/2007: </p><p>> Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. </p><p>Ordered to be reported without amendment favorably. </p><p>>For those of you not in the know on this bill, here are some </p><p>concerns I have (although I could get really nasty about this, </p><p>I will try to contain myself): </p><p>> </p><p>>1. Though this bill is to ban the slaughter of horses in the </p><p>US for any purpose, it does not have any provision or intention </p><p>of a provision for what to do with unwanted horses. Although </p><p>there is a suggested appropriation of $5,000,000, nothing has </p><p>been suggested as to how to put this money into action - and we </p><p>all know how much of that money will be actually go to the </p><p>horses. Also - this bill only makes this provision one time, </p><p>not $5 million a year, just 5 million total. This bill will </p><p>effect approximately 90,000 horses each year - in three years </p><p>that is 270,000 horses and in 10 years, this number of unwanted </p><p>horses will grow to over 900,000 horses, not to mention the </p><p>number that will be reproduced within this group which would </p><p>have otherwise not been allowed to do so. None of us want our </p><p>performance horses, trail horses or back yard pets to be </p><p>slaughtered; but the fact is, not all horses are functional. </p><p>What are we to do with horses that are dangerous, injured or </p><p>born crippled. I just had a colt born a few weeks ago who is </p><p>blind as a bat...what use is anyone going to have for him. I </p><p>will give him to anyone who wants him. </p><p>> </p><p>>2. If you interpret this bill as read, with the current </p><p>punctuation, it reads that the bill is to prohibit the </p><p>shipping, transporting, moving, delivering, receiving, </p><p>possessing, purchasing, selling, or donation of horses for </p><p>slughter, or any other purposes. Read the exact bill statement </p><p>above. Because of the comma, the "or any other purposes" is a </p><p>phrase attached to the subject of the sentence...no shipping, </p><p>transporting, etc. What would that mean? No buying or selling, </p><p>no trailering your horses to pasture, no rodeos, shows or trail </p><p>riding in the badlands (or anywhere else where you transport </p><p>them to). Although I don't believe they intended it to read </p><p>that way - they intended to ban slaughter for any purpose (no </p><p>glue, zoo meat, dog food, etc) - it does read that way. </p><p>> </p><p>>3) Another piece of the bill that is not included in the </p><p>statement is a clause (see <a href="http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-" target="_blank">http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-</a> </p><p>bin/query/z?c110:S.311: for full text), in section e that </p><p>says: "The secretary may detain for examination, testing, or </p><p>the taking of evidence A) any horse at any horse show, horse </p><p>exhibition, or horse sale or auction that is sore or that the </p><p>Secretary has probably cause to believe is sore: and B) any </p><p>horse or other equine that the secretary has probably cause to </p><p>believe is being shipped...in violation of section 5(8)"; but </p><p>it doesn't say what 5(8) is. So assuming they allow you to </p><p>trailer your horse to a show, if it gets hurt there, you may be </p><p>subject to investigation...for what? abuse, neglect? I am not </p><p>sure what they are exactly getting at there, but it scares me. </p><p>Those of us who show and rodeo or use our horses for any other </p><p>purpose are highly concerned with the condition of our animals. </p><p>> </p><p>>The slaughter market provides the basis for the value of all </p><p>horses. Without it, and with too many horses on the market, it </p><p>devalues all horses. Many of you would not consider eating </p><p>horse meat. I happen to have that kind of aversion to eating </p><p>tomatoes. But I don't expect the governement to tell all of you </p><p>that you can't eat them, just becuase I find it disgusting. It </p><p>floors me that we would allow this to happen in the U.S. I have </p><p>many more concerns about this bill, but will not continue </p><p>to "beat the (proverbial) dead horse". </p><p>> </p><p>>Yesterday the senate committee ordered this bill to be </p><p>reported without amendment favorably. Please contact your </p><p>legislators immediately and ask them to oppose this bill."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Michelle, post: 374065, member: 2301"] Bill S.311 has the potential to prevent you from being able to haul your animal to compete, to rodeo, to breed, to sell at a sale or privately, to cross statelines and so on as it currently reads as it can be interpretted by those who would benefit or feel "rightous" in preventing rodeo competitors, barrel racers, 4-H competitors, breeders, sellers, from doing what they enjoy doing for sport or employment. It opens the equine world up to being told who, what, when and where you can do what you can do with your horses. What everyone also needs to realize is that this is NOT going to stop with horses...it is going to progress to every meat food source out there, sport, showing, ect. Here is a copy of one of the e-mails I received on this subject today...now, they aren't just telling you that you can't slaughter a horse for any reason, it is set up so that it is possible that anyone can LEGALLY tell you that you can't do what you love....and they would have the standing to prosecute you for it....do you haul your barrel horse to arena's to compete? "I just wanted to bring you up to date on a bill that makes me sick to my stomach to think about and how it could cripple the horse industry in America. This is S.311 pertaining to the banning slaughter. I have copied and pasted the update from the Library of Congress website below. > >S.311 >Title: A bill to amend the Horse Protection Act to prohibit the shipping, transporting, moving, delivering, receiving, possessing, purchasing, selling, or donation of horses and other equines to be slaughtered for human consumption, and for other purposes. >Sponsor: Sen Landrieu, Mary L. [LA] (introduced 1/17/2007) Cosponsors (25) >Related Bills: H.R.503 >Latest Major Action: 4/25/2007 Senate committee/subcommittee actions. Status: Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. Ordered to be reported without amendment favorably. > >--------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- > >ALL ACTIONS: > 1/17/2007: > Read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. > 4/25/2007: > Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation. Ordered to be reported without amendment favorably. >For those of you not in the know on this bill, here are some concerns I have (although I could get really nasty about this, I will try to contain myself): > >1. Though this bill is to ban the slaughter of horses in the US for any purpose, it does not have any provision or intention of a provision for what to do with unwanted horses. Although there is a suggested appropriation of $5,000,000, nothing has been suggested as to how to put this money into action - and we all know how much of that money will be actually go to the horses. Also - this bill only makes this provision one time, not $5 million a year, just 5 million total. This bill will effect approximately 90,000 horses each year - in three years that is 270,000 horses and in 10 years, this number of unwanted horses will grow to over 900,000 horses, not to mention the number that will be reproduced within this group which would have otherwise not been allowed to do so. None of us want our performance horses, trail horses or back yard pets to be slaughtered; but the fact is, not all horses are functional. What are we to do with horses that are dangerous, injured or born crippled. I just had a colt born a few weeks ago who is blind as a bat...what use is anyone going to have for him. I will give him to anyone who wants him. > >2. If you interpret this bill as read, with the current punctuation, it reads that the bill is to prohibit the shipping, transporting, moving, delivering, receiving, possessing, purchasing, selling, or donation of horses for slughter, or any other purposes. Read the exact bill statement above. Because of the comma, the "or any other purposes" is a phrase attached to the subject of the sentence...no shipping, transporting, etc. What would that mean? No buying or selling, no trailering your horses to pasture, no rodeos, shows or trail riding in the badlands (or anywhere else where you transport them to). Although I don't believe they intended it to read that way - they intended to ban slaughter for any purpose (no glue, zoo meat, dog food, etc) - it does read that way. > >3) Another piece of the bill that is not included in the statement is a clause (see [url=http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-]http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-[/url] bin/query/z?c110:S.311: for full text), in section e that says: "The secretary may detain for examination, testing, or the taking of evidence A) any horse at any horse show, horse exhibition, or horse sale or auction that is sore or that the Secretary has probably cause to believe is sore: and B) any horse or other equine that the secretary has probably cause to believe is being shipped...in violation of section 5(8)"; but it doesn't say what 5(8) is. So assuming they allow you to trailer your horse to a show, if it gets hurt there, you may be subject to investigation...for what? abuse, neglect? I am not sure what they are exactly getting at there, but it scares me. Those of us who show and rodeo or use our horses for any other purpose are highly concerned with the condition of our animals. > >The slaughter market provides the basis for the value of all horses. Without it, and with too many horses on the market, it devalues all horses. Many of you would not consider eating horse meat. I happen to have that kind of aversion to eating tomatoes. But I don't expect the governement to tell all of you that you can't eat them, just becuase I find it disgusting. It floors me that we would allow this to happen in the U.S. I have many more concerns about this bill, but will not continue to "beat the (proverbial) dead horse". > >Yesterday the senate committee ordered this bill to be reported without amendment favorably. Please contact your legislators immediately and ask them to oppose this bill." [/QUOTE]
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