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holistichoofcare":culgjl3k said:
There are many reasons show calves may need there feet trimmed One being genetics its fact that most calves inheirt the feet and legs from the sire so picking a bull that throws bad feet will predispose ur animals to being prone to being more high maintence as far as hoof trimming
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Why would the bull have more influence then the dam?

dun
 
its just the way the genetics play out if u look at dairy cattle where a large amount of one bull is used across the herd there is a strong tendancy for the bulls foot traits to come through then the dam example Hanover Hill Starbuck a bull used in the dairy breed in the 80s daughters and sons for the most part had outstanding feet and legs regardless of there dam where Walkaway Chief Mark daughters were shallowed heeled with less then desirable leg set
 
Then why weren't most of Traditions offspring mulefooted. Of course if you linebreed to a bull with bad feet and legs you'll end up with bad feet and legs. But that's coming through the cows side too in most cases. And with most current holsteins going back to just a few bulls, they will have a stronfger affect, that's what line/inbreeding does.

dun
 
its a generalization of course not 100 percent of the bulls foot will come through on all animals But on average the bulls foot traits tend to be more dominant in the offspring BUT your totally correct the dam does have a role in it as well i was simply pointing out that sometimes a BAD bull will predispose a animal to having high maintence feet
and there were a few good traditions Nowerland Tradition Buttercup Hurl-Four Tradition Jacky(dam of jed) wasnt leadmans dam a tradition as well granted all those cows were bred to valiant to improve the feet and legs later on
 
holistichoofcare":1ng4tfjd said:
its a generalization of course not 100 percent of the bulls foot will come through on all animals But on average the bulls foot traits tend to be more dominant in the offspring BUT your totally correct the dam does have a role in it as well i was simply pointing out that sometimes a BAD bull will predispose a animal to having high maintence feet
and there were a few good traditions Nowerland Tradition Buttercup Hurl-Four Tradition Jacky(dam of jed) wasnt leadmans dam a tradition as well granted all those cows were bred to valiant to improve the feet and legs later on
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If you look at the pictures in the everything else section under feet you'll see a set of feet that's been dominant on all of her daughters with different bulls They haven't all been as good as hers, but they're still good solid feet. I find it interesting that in the last couple of years the dairy people have been talking about how they hadn't been paying as much attention to feet as they should have. While my old mentor 40 years ago alwasy stressed feet first. And back in that time frame milking 600 head (as he was) was considered a huge dairy.

dun
 
Your definetly right The dairy industry has definetly recently put a huge emphasis on breeding for feet and legs Most likely due to the fact that most dairies are aggressive freestalls where cows need excellent feet and legs in order to survive
 
holistichoofcare":ayrz182u said:
Your definetly right The dairy industry has definetly recently put a huge emphasis on breeding for feet and legs Most likely due to the fact that most dairies are aggressive freestalls where cows need excellent feet and legs in order to survive
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I don't know wherre you're located, but in most of the large dairys that I've seen in the west are just paddock type setups, not freestalls.
A couple of them in the CA central valley are enclosed paddock types.
Even in this part of MO less then half of the dairys are freestall.

dun
 
yep ur right california is pretty much all open feed lots with shade cloths Im in Upstate NY and i would say most of the east coast is in a free stall with some smaller farmes remaining in station or tie stall barns but Freestalls are really catching on all over even in texas new mexico florida arizona because farmers can keep there cows alot cooler
 
holistichoofcare":1j255toz said:
There are many reasons show calves may need there feet trimmed One being genetics its fact that most calves inheirt the feet and legs from the sire so picking a bull that throws bad feet will predispose ur animals to being prone to being more high maintence as far as hoof trimming
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I think you're reinforcing a point that a lot of people have made in various threads. Why in the world would someone want to show, and potentially market as seedstock, an animal that has bad hooves/feet?


holistichoofcare":1j255toz said:
Finally in my opinion all animals should have there feet examined ESPECIALY show animals cows feet are the equilivelant to a trucks tire if u dont check the air and rotate them ur gonna get a flat use the same theory with ur cows feet and u will have success
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Can a regular hoof trimmer check the air and rotate the feet on show animals, or do they need special training? :lol2: Sorry, it's late and I couldn't resist.
 

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