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<blockquote data-quote="tapeworm" data-source="post: 83281" data-attributes="member: 1094"><p>Hello there Ollie..sorry youve been waiting all week. Tell you what I'm thinking about doing...thinking about trying to get in here more than once a week..so I can keep up better and you wont have to wait on me so long. Should have done it this week since I havent been sleeping so good having nightmares about that big black elephant we're talking about. LOL Maybe if you can tell me how to get one of those jobs youve got posting on the cattle boards all day i can do that instead of trying to runa cow operation for less than minimum wage...on second thought..never mind..I wouldnt swap places with you anyhow. Lets see..you said</p><p></p><p>"Go ahead and bust out with the perfect yw for a bull tapeworm."</p><p></p><p>Well Ollie I guess if theres a perfect weight Ive never figured out what it is. Do like Frankie says and buy a bull that fits your needs. Sorry I cant help you with that...but heres what I can do...I can durn sure tell you what the outliers are...and to me this is one of them. Problem is that some breeders will feel like they have to top that one. Its a vicious cycle where to many of em (my opinion) chase the biggest ww,yw, and the biggest ribeye. Let me give you a little challenge to "bust out" with Ollie...this is a pretty simple test so dont be scared. At what point do the most severe discounts for heavy carcasses come in on most grids??? Okay..now tell me what weight carcass a 1600 pound FINISHED animal will get you. Pretty simple math....I can do it in my head and I'm sure you can to </p><p></p><p></p><p>Its my feeling that there is no place for 1600 pound yearling weights with the modern cattle business. Sure it will improve the offspring from some cowherds...what do you think those are..corrientes or longhorns??? maybe a smaller framed angus??? Now do you think that is how this bull will be used??? or do you think he might be used on females that already have an acceptable or even an ideal yearling weight?? Maybe just to bump there numbers on up there. If english breeders keep on doing that and if continetal breedrs will start working on moderating frame and increasing imf one of these days there wont be any difference in the two. </p><p>Ollie I'm sure youre a loit smarter than I am about feeding cattle...I'm sure youve been feeding cattle a whole lot longer than I have...so i am anxious to learn from you. What purpose does a 1600 pound yearling serve in the feeding business?? How about the packer and retailer??? Dont matter if you like em or not (and I dont) Walmart and Ibp are the wave of the future with case ready product...you better bet your ass that other big retailers will be trying to play catch up with them. Have you ever even heard of case ready, portion size or fitting the tray? I bet you have cause youre a smart, smart guy. But lots of people havent. Wont be long till fitting the box will be a term nobody even remembers. Walmart is telling us through Ibp what size they want their case ready cuts to be and theyre only going to have so many different sizes of styrofoam trays. We will have to conform to that or take discoutns one of these days. Just how big a ribeye do you want anyhow? Is hanging off the plate not big enough? You want it to hang off both sides of the kitchen table?? If we just listnen, Suzie homemaker and steakhouse Stevie tell us what they want..tell us through the retailer and packer...many say that 16 inches for a ribeye is big enough...do you hear something different? the steak lover still has to be able to AFFORD a steak. Just how thick is a 17 or 20 inch ribeye going to be and people still be able to buy it without getting a payment book with it? Looks to me like itll be so thin that you cant even cook it on both sides without burning it up....do you care about a good eating steak for beef lovers? I darn sure do...I want em to keep coming back </p><p></p><p>Simple point to me...or maybe I'm just simple...1600 pound yearlings produce outlier carcasses if finished at 12 months..and we dont do that anyhow. Some of you will argue that we COULD finish them earlier if we used those elephant genetics. But dont forget that theres a whole segment of the cattle biz...the stockers and steermen...that depend on business as usual..not to mention the huge grasslands like the Flinthills and the winter wheat crops that arent suited to running cows and calves....we need stocker cattle for them. We cant wean a 900 pound calf and do anything with him except send him straight to the lot. That brings to mind another problem....with 70 or 80 percent of ranches calving in the spring what do you think will happen if we start finishing cattle at 11 or 12 months??? Packers and feedlots that just work a few months out of the year. LOL I doubt it!!! Stocker outfits give us a valuable service...they take those mostly spring calves and turn them into year around supply...even if they have to back them up or forego maximum gains...cant do that if we keep chasing weights like you want.</p><p></p><p>Well anyhow Ive rambled on long enough Ollie...sure glad Ive got you to teach me something....I know I asked you a lot of questions...you dont have to answer them all at once...Ill keep waiting...bust on out there hotshot</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tapeworm, post: 83281, member: 1094"] Hello there Ollie..sorry youve been waiting all week. Tell you what I'm thinking about doing...thinking about trying to get in here more than once a week..so I can keep up better and you wont have to wait on me so long. Should have done it this week since I havent been sleeping so good having nightmares about that big black elephant we're talking about. LOL Maybe if you can tell me how to get one of those jobs youve got posting on the cattle boards all day i can do that instead of trying to runa cow operation for less than minimum wage...on second thought..never mind..I wouldnt swap places with you anyhow. Lets see..you said "Go ahead and bust out with the perfect yw for a bull tapeworm." Well Ollie I guess if theres a perfect weight Ive never figured out what it is. Do like Frankie says and buy a bull that fits your needs. Sorry I cant help you with that...but heres what I can do...I can durn sure tell you what the outliers are...and to me this is one of them. Problem is that some breeders will feel like they have to top that one. Its a vicious cycle where to many of em (my opinion) chase the biggest ww,yw, and the biggest ribeye. Let me give you a little challenge to "bust out" with Ollie...this is a pretty simple test so dont be scared. At what point do the most severe discounts for heavy carcasses come in on most grids??? Okay..now tell me what weight carcass a 1600 pound FINISHED animal will get you. Pretty simple math....I can do it in my head and I'm sure you can to Its my feeling that there is no place for 1600 pound yearling weights with the modern cattle business. Sure it will improve the offspring from some cowherds...what do you think those are..corrientes or longhorns??? maybe a smaller framed angus??? Now do you think that is how this bull will be used??? or do you think he might be used on females that already have an acceptable or even an ideal yearling weight?? Maybe just to bump there numbers on up there. If english breeders keep on doing that and if continetal breedrs will start working on moderating frame and increasing imf one of these days there wont be any difference in the two. Ollie I'm sure youre a loit smarter than I am about feeding cattle...I'm sure youve been feeding cattle a whole lot longer than I have...so i am anxious to learn from you. What purpose does a 1600 pound yearling serve in the feeding business?? How about the packer and retailer??? Dont matter if you like em or not (and I dont) Walmart and Ibp are the wave of the future with case ready product...you better bet your ass that other big retailers will be trying to play catch up with them. Have you ever even heard of case ready, portion size or fitting the tray? I bet you have cause youre a smart, smart guy. But lots of people havent. Wont be long till fitting the box will be a term nobody even remembers. Walmart is telling us through Ibp what size they want their case ready cuts to be and theyre only going to have so many different sizes of styrofoam trays. We will have to conform to that or take discoutns one of these days. Just how big a ribeye do you want anyhow? Is hanging off the plate not big enough? You want it to hang off both sides of the kitchen table?? If we just listnen, Suzie homemaker and steakhouse Stevie tell us what they want..tell us through the retailer and packer...many say that 16 inches for a ribeye is big enough...do you hear something different? the steak lover still has to be able to AFFORD a steak. Just how thick is a 17 or 20 inch ribeye going to be and people still be able to buy it without getting a payment book with it? Looks to me like itll be so thin that you cant even cook it on both sides without burning it up....do you care about a good eating steak for beef lovers? I darn sure do...I want em to keep coming back Simple point to me...or maybe I'm just simple...1600 pound yearlings produce outlier carcasses if finished at 12 months..and we dont do that anyhow. Some of you will argue that we COULD finish them earlier if we used those elephant genetics. But dont forget that theres a whole segment of the cattle biz...the stockers and steermen...that depend on business as usual..not to mention the huge grasslands like the Flinthills and the winter wheat crops that arent suited to running cows and calves....we need stocker cattle for them. We cant wean a 900 pound calf and do anything with him except send him straight to the lot. That brings to mind another problem....with 70 or 80 percent of ranches calving in the spring what do you think will happen if we start finishing cattle at 11 or 12 months??? Packers and feedlots that just work a few months out of the year. LOL I doubt it!!! Stocker outfits give us a valuable service...they take those mostly spring calves and turn them into year around supply...even if they have to back them up or forego maximum gains...cant do that if we keep chasing weights like you want. Well anyhow Ive rambled on long enough Ollie...sure glad Ive got you to teach me something....I know I asked you a lot of questions...you dont have to answer them all at once...Ill keep waiting...bust on out there hotshot [/QUOTE]
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