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<blockquote data-quote="cowgirl8" data-source="post: 1511314" data-attributes="member: 22072"><p>Usually when we see that a calf's feet are large and labor has gone on too long and they were unable to get the head out, we don't try to pull by hand, but will go ahead and set up the wench. With flec sim in our cows, hip lock is more common than you'd want it to be. I hate finding a cow down with a calf out to the hips, dead calf and paralyzed cow...ugh...aint nobody got time for that. In flec sims, its usually a big bull calf that gets hip locked...its rare we ever have to pull a heifer calf, but it does happen..I'm always at the cow end of the pull so that when we get to the hips, I rotate as they pull....never pulled one in half unless its been dead a while. We have though had them suffer nerve damage that cripples them....We only use a spanner in the field. If we have the cow in the chute, we use part of the corral structure and can get a better angle with it for hiplock. I hate the spanner, and ours is one my husband made. Its really heavy, we've broken the store bought ones. </p><p> Just watch your heifer, we breed around 30 to 60 heifers a year to LBW angus and we still have to pull a few. As long as we have flec sim in the cows blood, we get whoppers. We'll get a string of big calves in our heifers and the one I worry about spits out a 40 pound calf...I'd say we have more disastrous hip lock problems out of cows because we keep our heifers at the house and can get them in the chute in a matter of minutes, whereas a cow wont get help until morning or evening, so if there is trouble, i'm not there until its too late...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cowgirl8, post: 1511314, member: 22072"] Usually when we see that a calf's feet are large and labor has gone on too long and they were unable to get the head out, we don't try to pull by hand, but will go ahead and set up the wench. With flec sim in our cows, hip lock is more common than you'd want it to be. I hate finding a cow down with a calf out to the hips, dead calf and paralyzed cow...ugh...aint nobody got time for that. In flec sims, its usually a big bull calf that gets hip locked...its rare we ever have to pull a heifer calf, but it does happen..I'm always at the cow end of the pull so that when we get to the hips, I rotate as they pull....never pulled one in half unless its been dead a while. We have though had them suffer nerve damage that cripples them....We only use a spanner in the field. If we have the cow in the chute, we use part of the corral structure and can get a better angle with it for hiplock. I hate the spanner, and ours is one my husband made. Its really heavy, we've broken the store bought ones. Just watch your heifer, we breed around 30 to 60 heifers a year to LBW angus and we still have to pull a few. As long as we have flec sim in the cows blood, we get whoppers. We'll get a string of big calves in our heifers and the one I worry about spits out a 40 pound calf...I'd say we have more disastrous hip lock problems out of cows because we keep our heifers at the house and can get them in the chute in a matter of minutes, whereas a cow wont get help until morning or evening, so if there is trouble, i'm not there until its too late... [/QUOTE]
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