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<blockquote data-quote="Ryan" data-source="post: 663792" data-attributes="member: 615"><p>I take it personally, because I know many breeders who have worked DECADES to get where they are today without crossbreeding, ALL THE WHILE have people who have NEVER set foot on their property to actually learn about their breeding program sit far off and accuse them of cheating, crossbreeding, lieing about age or whatever the case may be. Like I said before, I am not blind nor am I so naive to think that crossbreeding hasn't been done in the past nor do I believe it is not going on currently. HOWEVER, I do believe it is improper to throw around wild and vague accusations with ZERO evidence or proof to back up those accusations. I know too many people that have poured everything they have into creating better animals in this breed without crossbreeding, and I HAVE been at the shows the past 20 years to see the development and evolution of the breed into one that is starting to be able to routinely and consistently produce animals that WILL work from a commercial production standpoint. And not just a commercial standpoint of using cheap longhorn cows with charolais bulls and weaning the calf before it starts to look like a longhorn. BUT animals that can take care of themselves and raise calves that ANYONE would be proud to haul to town.</p><p></p><p>There is NO minimum horn requirement in the TLBAA. Under the subject for Horns in the TLBAA Breed Guidelines has Four categories: Superior, Desirable, Acceptable and Undesirable. Nowhere does it mention Requirements. Also, these are Guidelines, not rules for registrations. So if someone wants to raise animals that are structurally sound, very efficient, have high performance yet lack in the horn department, they can. The cattle of these families that "..were founded on the cattle's ability to produce beef. These cattle also had respectable horns as well..." What do you mean by respectable horns? Was it in the mid to early 80's when 40" horns on a bull meant he was one the top horned bulls in the breed? You must also realize when looking at longhorn cattle, that say 45" of horn on a 650lb cow looks a whole lot different than 45" of horn on a 1300 lb cow. So when looking back through the old Trails magazines and Journal magazines and Texas Longhorn Scene magazines, remember that looking at a cow with "respectable horns" is relative to body size and horn shape, among other things. "Respectable horns" is very relative, and of personal preference. Structure, production and performance is not personal preference. It is something that is tangible and measurible. </p><p></p><p>It takes a lot of work, time, energy, resources and knowledge to increase the overall quality of animal without resorting to crossbreeding. That is why I take it personally. I have spent A LOT of time and energy creating the best Texas Longhorns I can with what I have to work with. When i see someone accuse my fellow breeders of crossbreeding without ANY proof, I feel the need to back them up. I would do this no matter who was making the accusations.</p><p></p><p>Ryan</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ryan, post: 663792, member: 615"] I take it personally, because I know many breeders who have worked DECADES to get where they are today without crossbreeding, ALL THE WHILE have people who have NEVER set foot on their property to actually learn about their breeding program sit far off and accuse them of cheating, crossbreeding, lieing about age or whatever the case may be. Like I said before, I am not blind nor am I so naive to think that crossbreeding hasn't been done in the past nor do I believe it is not going on currently. HOWEVER, I do believe it is improper to throw around wild and vague accusations with ZERO evidence or proof to back up those accusations. I know too many people that have poured everything they have into creating better animals in this breed without crossbreeding, and I HAVE been at the shows the past 20 years to see the development and evolution of the breed into one that is starting to be able to routinely and consistently produce animals that WILL work from a commercial production standpoint. And not just a commercial standpoint of using cheap longhorn cows with charolais bulls and weaning the calf before it starts to look like a longhorn. BUT animals that can take care of themselves and raise calves that ANYONE would be proud to haul to town. There is NO minimum horn requirement in the TLBAA. Under the subject for Horns in the TLBAA Breed Guidelines has Four categories: Superior, Desirable, Acceptable and Undesirable. Nowhere does it mention Requirements. Also, these are Guidelines, not rules for registrations. So if someone wants to raise animals that are structurally sound, very efficient, have high performance yet lack in the horn department, they can. The cattle of these families that "..were founded on the cattle's ability to produce beef. These cattle also had respectable horns as well..." What do you mean by respectable horns? Was it in the mid to early 80's when 40" horns on a bull meant he was one the top horned bulls in the breed? You must also realize when looking at longhorn cattle, that say 45" of horn on a 650lb cow looks a whole lot different than 45" of horn on a 1300 lb cow. So when looking back through the old Trails magazines and Journal magazines and Texas Longhorn Scene magazines, remember that looking at a cow with "respectable horns" is relative to body size and horn shape, among other things. "Respectable horns" is very relative, and of personal preference. Structure, production and performance is not personal preference. It is something that is tangible and measurible. It takes a lot of work, time, energy, resources and knowledge to increase the overall quality of animal without resorting to crossbreeding. That is why I take it personally. I have spent A LOT of time and energy creating the best Texas Longhorns I can with what I have to work with. When i see someone accuse my fellow breeders of crossbreeding without ANY proof, I feel the need to back them up. I would do this no matter who was making the accusations. Ryan [/QUOTE]
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