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<blockquote data-quote="Rustler9" data-source="post: 663787" data-attributes="member: 440"><p>Ryan,</p><p> You certainly seem to take this personally. I don't really know why you get so defensive about this. I certainly did not imply anything about your cattle so I guess I'm a little confused as to why you would take this to heart. You are not the only person with a show string in this breed. With you being so involved in the show circuit I would certainly think that you of all people would know who is doing this. So please don't play that with me. I am also not so stupid to say anyone's name on a public site. I see certain individual's cattle who show all the signs of other blood and you're bound to as well. This is alo evident in some big horn programs as well. I believe that other breeders concentrate on the beef side of the breed as well. Certain families or blood lines of this breed were founded on the cattle's ability to produce beef. These cattle also had respectable horns as well. When an individual concentrates solely on one trait it shows in the product. Cattle that don't have the minimum amount of horn required by the association's breed standards certainly would come into question by anyone who is a breeder and even those who may not know anything about the breed. When they start looking like something else there's usually a reason. </p><p></p><p> You say that you concentrate on the beef animal as they were meant to be and I certainly think that this is true in your case. There's no argument here-your cattle that I've seen ceratinly have a great conformation. I don't see any of your cattle offered at public sales. Just wondering where you market them? Do you sell breeding stock and show prospects private treaty? I would suppose you do. So what happens to the rest of the cattle? Do you sell them across the scales or have a beef market for them? We all have our purpose for breeding these animals and with your program and the people who you work for it's quite evidnet that it has been a successful one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rustler9, post: 663787, member: 440"] Ryan, You certainly seem to take this personally. I don't really know why you get so defensive about this. I certainly did not imply anything about your cattle so I guess I'm a little confused as to why you would take this to heart. You are not the only person with a show string in this breed. With you being so involved in the show circuit I would certainly think that you of all people would know who is doing this. So please don't play that with me. I am also not so stupid to say anyone's name on a public site. I see certain individual's cattle who show all the signs of other blood and you're bound to as well. This is alo evident in some big horn programs as well. I believe that other breeders concentrate on the beef side of the breed as well. Certain families or blood lines of this breed were founded on the cattle's ability to produce beef. These cattle also had respectable horns as well. When an individual concentrates solely on one trait it shows in the product. Cattle that don't have the minimum amount of horn required by the association's breed standards certainly would come into question by anyone who is a breeder and even those who may not know anything about the breed. When they start looking like something else there's usually a reason. You say that you concentrate on the beef animal as they were meant to be and I certainly think that this is true in your case. There's no argument here-your cattle that I've seen ceratinly have a great conformation. I don't see any of your cattle offered at public sales. Just wondering where you market them? Do you sell breeding stock and show prospects private treaty? I would suppose you do. So what happens to the rest of the cattle? Do you sell them across the scales or have a beef market for them? We all have our purpose for breeding these animals and with your program and the people who you work for it's quite evidnet that it has been a successful one. [/QUOTE]
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