Hereford breeding question, regular to miniature.

[Alyce]

1st time cattle owner with no mentor. Therefore I don't want to be mislead. I've become fascinated with the original Herefordshire England gentics.
I have 2 registered Hereford heifers. I would like to get gentics from England for A.I. I'm not sure how to go about that. That's one issue I'm having, I do have a local veterinarian that does A.I. I need to make an appointment to discuss what all is needed for A.I.
This evening I had someone mention about A.I with miniature Hereford bull semen. Regular sized Hereford, miniature Hereford.
What's the ramifications of those gentics mixing?
Will I get a miniature or a thick shorter English bulldog looking calf?
Sorry for all the questions, I don't have anyone to learn from.
Thank you
Alyce

 

[Hippie Rancher]

personally I wouldn't mess with miniature Herefords for any reason. or really any miniatures for that matter. I remember as a kid, if your Herefords threw a dwarf you were supposed to cull it and have the decency to be embarrassed. it was a trait to be removed, not selected for.

 

[greybeard]

Miniaturization should be left to Artificial Intelligence and not Artificial Insemination.
just my opinion...

 

[SBMF 2015]

Welcome to CT.
I would stay away from the minis. Get a good herd established, then if you want one as a conversation piece maybe.

 

[Ky hills]

I agree with the others that the miniatures are not the way to go.
I don’t really know how to advise on importing to do AI, but I’m sure it can be done, there is probably a British Hereford association that may be able to advise you on that.

 

[moses388]

Welcome!!
Importing cattle genetics into the USA is expensive. To start with, the genetics you seek have to be "qualified" for the USA; they must have passed disease and genetic defect testing. After purchasing the genetics, you would work with a freight forwarding company. The freight forwarder would determine the shipping route and handle USDA APHIS custom inspections to enter the USA. Large AI centers offer freight forwarding for frozen cattle genetics.

What is intriguing about Herefordshire England genetics? Pics? Links?

Are you looking for old genetics? There are plenty on the Internet. The neighbors only have dairy cattle now, but they have a tank of Hereford semen stored in ampules. It was his grandpa's. His grandpa raised Herefords.

 

[Alyce]

Welcome!!
Importing cattle genetics into the USA is expensive. To start with, the genetics you seek have to be "qualified" for the USA; they must have passed disease and genetic defect testing. After purchasing the genetics, you would work with a freight forwarding company. The freight forwarder would determine the shipping route and handle USDA APHIS custom inspections to enter the USA. Large AI centers offer freight forwarding for frozen cattle genetics.

What is intriguing about Herefordshire England genetics? Pics? Links?

Are you looking for old genetics? There are plenty on the Internet. The neighbors only have dairy cattle now, but they have a tank of Hereford semen stored in ampules. It was his grandpa's. His grandpa raised Herefords.

I've been hunting the original Gollihar Hereford Ranch gentics from the mid 1950"s with the help of American Hereford Association. I am wanting to bring back the true England version of genetics, which will be a process if doable at all. I love the early Herefords. I've attached the article with the Gollihar Hereford Ranch bulls. I'd like to get back to that Hereford. I don't know of of anyone local, flying solo on this journey, that would have any genetics of that magnitude.
Our land is part of the historical Ranch & I'd like to honor it with as pure as possible Herefords.
Alyce

 

[BC]

Here is the pedigree to the Mesa Domino bull that you posted the picture:

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-b...2=2434&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5D58232124272F26

 

[Brute 23]

Have you considered there is a reason that type of Hereford is not still around?

 

[Alyce]

Have you considered there is a reason that type of Hereford is not still around?

I've been wondering why.

 

[Alyce]

Here is the pedigree to the Mesa Domino bull that you posted the picture:

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-b...2=2434&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5D58232124272F26

Thank you

 

[J+ Cattle]

I understand heritage and honoring a legacy, but belt buckle Herefords aren't the way to do it. Nobody raises them anymore because nobody wants them. You would have something that would be hard to give away much less sell.
Maybe that's why the topic of miniatures came up, to mimic the short cattle of years ago.

Why don't you take all of your research and write a book about the history of the ranch and the cattle they raised.....and then raise some good Herefords.

 

[Alyce]

I understand heritage and honoring a legacy, but belt buckle Herefords aren't the way to do it. Nobody raises them anymore because nobody wants them. You would have something that would be hard to give away much less sell.
Maybe that's why the topic of miniatures came up, to mimic the short cattle of years ago.

Why don't you take all of your research and write a book about the history of the ranch and the cattle they raised.....and then raise some good Herefords.

Thank. Life currently wouldn't allow me to write a book. I'm trying to raise my girls the best I can.

 

[simme]

Here is the pedigree to the Mesa Domino bull that you posted the picture:

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-b...2=2434&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5B5D58232124272F26

Notice that the bull is horned per the pedigree. As obviously is the other one in the ad. The ad is promoting Polled herefords. I guess they had some polled cows maybe.

 

[moses388]

Learned something new...
"belt buckle Herefords" = miniature Hereford

 

[Caustic Burno]

I understand heritage and honoring a legacy, but belt buckle Herefords aren't the way to do it. Nobody raises them anymore because nobody wants them. You would have something that would be hard to give away much less sell.
Maybe that's why the topic of miniatures came up, to mimic the short cattle of years ago.

Why don't you take all of your research and write a book about the history of the ranch and the cattle they raised.....and then raise some good Herefords.

Got that right

 

[SBMF 2015]

Learned something new...
"belt buckle Herefords" = miniature Hereford

I think the Belt Buckle cattle of the 1950's and 60's had a lot more depth of body and width than the minis of today.
They were really good cattle for the time. They just didn't have any legs. I bet a cat couldn't walk under the belly of some of those bulls . The Angus there just as bad.

 

[Hippie Rancher]

I think the Belt Buckle cattle of the 1950's and 60's had a lot more depth of body and width than the minis of today.
They were really good cattle for the time. They just didn't have any legs. I bet a cat couldn't walk under the belly of some of those bulls . The Angus there just as bad.

hey they saved on lumber - you only needed 4 foot high pens.

 

[SBMF 2015]

hey they saved on lumber - you only needed 4 foot high pens.

Yeah, we used to rent a pasture that had a really nice six barb fence, except it was 4' tall. Our 1,500lbs char cows would reach right over.

 

[OleScout]

My Dad was a hand on a Polled Hereford ranch, late 50s early 60s Double JJ. They had joint sales with the Circle M. Mr Hot Moore. Sold extremely high dollar bulls around the world.
Straw was plenty deep is the viewing barn and sale ring to make those bulls legs look short.
Pics Alyce posted the bulls are in deep straw!