Has CAB changed the Rules?
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3MR":241a5el2 said:
I know it is the published spec. But in the June meeting they tabled the vote to expand it and didn't know if they had yet or not.
There would prolly be a lag between the rule change and the actual specs being posted by the USDA.
But I DO KNOW for a fact they allowed some 4's this month.
3MR":a2zedxpl said:
It's not really that big of a deal, except that only a few folks will know and take advantage of it.
They were gonna have to change it one day anyway because the Angus Yield grades are falling like a rock. When more crossbreds are hitting the target than the breed itself, it's time to change something.
My main question is......will the other branded programs like CAB change their rules also?
Tod Dague
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I hope not.MikeC":wevte0v3 said:
Kent
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Tod Dague":jz8zo0hq said:
Me either. I know CAB is a quality grade based program, but we don't need to be getting premiums for YG 4 cattle.
Kent":3ggdf6yo said:
Really not that much difference between 3.9 and 4.
I imagine they are having a hard time getting enough product.
It's all these tiny REA EPD angus bulls getting used now.
http://www.cabpartners.com/news/basics/ ... _Yield.pdf
3MR":17uqnnzb said:
You just have to learn to ignore MikeC. He's a known Angus basher. And a Frankie basher, too.
The only CAB rule change that I know of is the change to allow AngusSource calves in, no matter what their color. I think that's a very good move and will, eventually, lead to only AngusSource calves being CAB.
Frankie, I'm not really sure what AngusSource requires. Is this the program that allows Red Angus to be certified? or is this strictly an Angus program??
It would surely stop a lot of "long threads" on this board, if CAB became "certified Angus only" type program.
I still think it's a great program as is - has done more for the beef industry than any one program out there - increasing awareness & PRICES. (I recently benefitted from higher CAB price on one of our steers
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It would surely stop a lot of "long threads" on this board, if CAB became "certified Angus only" type program.
I still think it's a great program as is - has done more for the beef industry than any one program out there - increasing awareness & PRICES. (I recently benefitted from higher CAB price on one of our steers
).jscunn
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Jeanne,
In order to qualify for Angus Source your calves must be sired by a Registered "black" Angus Bull. The information must be submitted to the Association through the Beef Records Service (the commercial cow version of AHIR) and they send you tags. Basically unless a producer lies on the records every calf is at least 50% Angus.
In order to qualify for Angus Source your calves must be sired by a Registered "black" Angus Bull. The information must be submitted to the Association through the Beef Records Service (the commercial cow version of AHIR) and they send you tags. Basically unless a producer lies on the records every calf is at least 50% Angus.
Kent
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jscunn":2utfdn2l said:
That's basically the way CHB is set up, except it can be either bull or cow and the cow wouldn't have to be registered. Basically 50% Hereford and the other 50% British only is how the standard reads. You would have to lie on your records to slip something else in, which happens I'm sure. It would be a good move for CAB, in my opinion.
Kent
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MikeC":izkfv40w said:
There's not much dfference between a 4 and a 4.1, or between a 4.1 and a 4.2, but eventually you get to a 5. And there's a big difference between a 3.9 and a 5. I just think there are thresholds that don't need to be crossed because you can't assure anyone that the standard won't be lowered again once it has been lowered the first time.
Once you start accepting lower YG cattle, your average carcass yield automatically drops, and the sorry bulls that sire more of these type calves get to breed cows for another year. It's the proverbial slippery slope.
Jeanne - Simme Valley":2gqtpydn said:
The Red Angus people have had a program like this for a long time. We're now playing catch up. AngusSource requires the owner to certify that the calves are sired by a registered Angus bull and put an ear tag in the calf. It's strictly an Angus program. There's a website, but I don't have it marked.
It would surely stop a lot of "long threads" on this board, if CAB became "certified Angus only" type program
I still think it's a great program as is - has done more for the beef industry than any one program out there - increasing awareness & PRICES. (I recently benefitted from higher CAB price on one of our steers
People would have to come up with another reason to bash Angus! CAB Natural is already source identified from AngusSource calves, but right now there aren't nearly enough of those to supply CAB. But I believe it will come. I think CAB was an industry changing program in that it actually rewards people for raising quality meat. And with all the black breeds around, today almost any producer can take advantage of the CAB premiums.
Frankie":m01w5tur said:Jeanne - Simme Valley":m01w5tur said:
The Red Angus people have had a program like this for a long time. We're now playing catch up. AngusSource requires the owner to certify that the calves are sired by a registered Angus bull and put an ear tag in the calf. It's strictly an Angus program. There's a website, but I don't have it marked.
It would surely stop a lot of "long threads" on this board, if CAB became "certified Angus only" type program
I still think it's a great program as is - has done more for the beef industry than any one program out there - increasing awareness & PRICES. (I recently benefitted from higher CAB price on one of our steers
People would have to come up with another reason to bash Angus! CAB Natural is already source identified from AngusSource calves, but right now there aren't nearly enough of those to supply CAB. But I believe it will come. I think CAB was an industry changing program in that it actually rewards people for raising quality meat. And with all the black breeds around, today almost any producer can take advantage of the CAB premiums.
Frankie is correct. The Red Angus folks started a tagging program in 1995 to link their genetics to the "Angus" breed:
"Angus" influenced cattle and their carcasses have many inherent advantages, as documented in industry research. "Angus" cattle produce well marbled, tender, and uniform carcasses. Based on these advantages, many branded beef programs target "Angus" cattle to consistently supply great tasting beef to consumers.
To help identify carcasses that are "Angus," the Red Angus Association of America realized the need to document the genetic background of Red Angus feeder calves. Certifying calves as Red Angus would help to guarantee high quality beef to consumers.
Therefore, in 1995 the Red Angus Association, in cooperation with the USDA, chartered new ground for the beef industry by introducing the Feeder Calf Certification Program (FCCP). The association is now able to verify a calf's link to the Angus gene pool by certifying Red Angus influenced cattle with an ear tag. This program supplies Red Angus cattle to recognized branded beef programs through value based marketing agreements for certified cattle.
WHAT IS FCCP?
To be eligible, calves must be the offspring of a Registered Red Angus bull or cow. The FCCP tag officially documents this known Angus parentage.
The intentions of the Certification Program are to offer marketing alternatives and a value based marketing option for commercial producers who use Red Angus genetics. Certified cattle have access to marketing options whether sold as calves or fed cattle out of the feed yard.
I wonder how much I will get for a calf with an Angus source tad at the stock yard? I would like to think a lot but I dought many buyers will pay more for a tag. they can look at the cattle and know whitch ones are angus.
I do think that tagging and selling groops of cattle that are sourse verified will bring more money but not at the stock yard.
I do think that tagging and selling groops of cattle that are sourse verified will bring more money but not at the stock yard.
