i have been around two of the best. they where train by the man himself(gary ericsson).they where great dogs. i know people that have had others and never gottem trained,they all said the samething hard to train. i have border collies (cowdogs pic post)and they are very trainable.pm me if you want more info.i just re read my post sounds like i am running down hangin tree dogs i am not they are great dogs just harder to train that is not always a bad thing. a good dog has to think for himself and if you and the dog arent on the same page make it hard.
