Fricken Livid

[hillsdown]

OK got a phone call a while ago from our lovely neighbors (yes, the same one as before where my heifers ended up on his land and at the time I did a total inspection of the fence.). His wife was out checking the fence <which she never does as I am the one that checks and fixes it even after they put their cows out on pasture> calls him to call us that "our" fence is down in a spot. SOOOOOO
that was at 8:30 pm we drive over and check the fence and yes there are three broken posts and the wire is off and ,,,,,here is the big one IT IS LEANING ON OUR SIDE<<<
So what ever went through it or tryed to go through it went through from their side and a moose, elk or deer would easily go over it. BTW the fence was in very good condition and only 7 years old and maintained,, Our bulls were pulled a long time ago and are 1/2 mile away.

I moved a few of our flush cows over there with the remaning herd since the steers were weened and my 08' gals will probably be in heat as they mature early. I am sure the only reason she was out there was to get her bull back that went through our fence,,now I am supposed to fix it ,,I have had enough of BS neighbors as we already payed for a fence when a neighbores daughter's boyfriend high on who knows what drugs crashed her car and went through ,,totally demolished,, my main fence. I payed for that ..WTF???????????

I am DONE..... :mad

 

[hillsdown]

Well a little help here please .....Input would be great even if to calm me down,, HELP,,,, :help:

 

[rockridgecattle]

Just saw the post.
well first calm down. Neighbors can be a pain in the @$$. But burning bridges with a hot temper will have ramifications for years to come and likely you will be neighbors for a while. Can you move your animals to keep their bull out. You have the date the bull was with your cows. Is it a different breed that what you have. Will you be able to tell if this calf born is from your bulls or AI? Then you will have the proof you need that their bull got out and fence repairs should be 1/2.
I would also put a hot wire on the top wire. Use insulators...they really increase the charge. Seen it go from 2000 cranks to 5000 with insulators. But you need to put it on a separate fencer and just that line of fence to get that kind of charge. Cheap co-op fencer will do the trick. good luck

RR

 

[KNERSIE]

I have found that the only way to stop the neighbours bulls from being a continual pest is not to let them leave your land as bulls.... I had to do it twice, the first bull I used a burdizzo, but that didn't get the message through soon enough so next time I left them hanging in a bucket on the handle of the neckclamp with the bull still in the neckclamp. Phoned the neighbour and telling him to come fetch his ox, haven't happened since.

 

[dun]

I have found that the only way to stop the neighbours bulls from being a continual pest is not to let them leave your land as bulls.... I had to do it twice, the first bull I used a burdizzo, but that didn't get the message through soon enough so next time I left them hanging in a bucket on the handle of the neckclamp with the bull still in the neckclamp. Phoned the neighbour and telling him to come fetch his ox, haven't happened since.

That's not just burning bridges, that's loading them with C4!

 

[hillsdown]

I have found that the only way to stop the neighbours bulls from being a continual pest is not to let them leave your land as bulls.... I had to do it twice, the first bull I used a burdizzo, but that didn't get the message through soon enough so next time I left them hanging in a bucket on the handle of the neckclamp with the bull still in the neckclamp. Phoned the neighbour and telling him to come fetch his ox, haven't happened since.

I like this idea ,problem is she got the piece of crap out before I found him,,I checked the girls yesterday but today they all came up to the home quarter so I did not have to go over there.

My boys are fence trained why in the H e double hockey sticks can't everyone else do that to theirs .

RR the flush cows are Holsteins so there is no way in ^&*(& that they are allowed to be bred naturally they will be estrumated in 8 days. And as soon as I get my second cut bales off the home quarter and moved the cows are going over there.

I have been thinking that when I pull my cows from that pasture I should take down the whole fence and tell them that if an animal comes on my land it's a dead one..plus they would have access to the main road which is not a good thing for cattle ;-) ,,,another neighbor did that to them on the other side years ago as their bull was always going through the fence, it worked ,they put their own fence up an the bulls never went through it again..
One tidbit I forgot to add is the fence is on his land but we paid for it as the previous owner put it up and we bought it from him...

I am still p-od, he waits until the last minute to call and not only is my husband gone now for a while but I have no tractor to do the repairs....another long story sh@t show.

 

[Jogeephus]

I have found that the only way to stop the neighbours bulls from being a continual pest is not to let them leave your land as bulls.... I had to do it twice, the first bull I used a burdizzo, but that didn't get the message through soon enough so next time I left them hanging in a bucket on the handle of the neckclamp with the bull still in the neckclamp. Phoned the neighbour and telling him to come fetch his ox, haven't happened since.

That's not just burning bridges, that's loading them with C4!

:shock: Now that is sending a clear and concise message. :nod:

Hillsdown, do you think he intentionally ran his truck or tractor into your fence to make an excuse for what happened the other week?

If not, and you catch the bull on your land I'd SSS cause this problem is not going to go away until Mr. Jumper gets to a new height.

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

I have fixed a whole lot of fence that ELK could easily have gone over. Did you look for tracks to see what kind of animal ran threw the fence for sure. I would tell them the fence keeps there cows on there land some as it keeps mine on my land. I will meet you there and we will fix the fence. As far as doing harm to someone elses livestock if it is a repeat problem some thing has to be done. Let them that has never had a cow get out cast the first stone.

 

[bigbull338]

the best thing todo is keep the fences up yourself.an if their cattle get on you.pen them an charge them to pick them up.an also charge them for damages.we have a neighbor just like yours.if our cows get over on him he wants them out now.an he would gripp till its done.but if his cows get on us its i cant get my cows back in.i gotta have the horses an cowboys get them.we go you know horses arnt aloud on our place.i think he has finally learned not to gripp.because his cows would stay on us atlest a week an sometimes alot more.if our cows was on him it would be a day or 2 fore we could get emm.

 

[randiliana]

Calm down HD. We have been in the same place you are, dealing with neighbours like that. The problem is, that you have to pick your fights. I am sure, that if it was their bull, that they did not intentionally put him into your pasture. I know it sucks, but I would be checking into the laws in your province before doing anything rash. I honestly have no idea what the rules are in Saskatchewan (or AB) about this sort of thing, and I am thinking that if THEY got their own bull out that that will help THEIR case, if there is actually something you can do. I wouldn't go shooting, castrating or much of anything until I knew what sort of trouble I could get into by doing that. Bulls do get out, and as it is, you have no proof that it was their bull. It quite easily could have been a Moose or Elk (if you have them in the area) I know they CAN go over, but they often don't.

These are people you are going to have to deal with for years, don't go getting into a big war with them. The thing is, if they are the sort of people that they sound like, they can keep causing problems for you for years to come.

As for keeping bulls in, I would like a few tips on training a bull to stay on his side of the fence all the time. When they decide that they want to go somewhere, about the only thing that will stop them is a hot, hot electric wire, and I doubt that that will stop them every time. We've tried to keep ours trained, but when they go to pasture, sooner or later, they realize that the fence isn't (can't be) charged and they will go through it.

 

[I luv herfrds]

Deep breath there HD. Know just what you are talking about.
Husbands grandfather had a big red angus keep getting in with his heifers. Called the owner twice to come get him. Last call was for the guy to come get his steer.
If you catch the bull in your pasture, round him up in a corral, if one is handy and hold him until they fix the fence.

I know it is tough dealing with a neighbor who expects you to do all of the fence work while their stock tears it up.
I would go get pictures before it is fixed. Look for tracks by all means. Try and get pictures of those as well.
Keep a record of everytime they call you about the fence being down.

 

[CattleHand]

who has better grass? If they happen to do then just leave the fence and put more cattle in there.

 

[hillsdown]

Well spent a couple hours out there first thing this morning.
It looks like something big hit the fence and you can see an imprint right by the fence where it has been trampled down, like a vehicle. There are 15 - 20 broken posts to be replaced , so they are being picked up today.

It looks like something drove to close to the fence and took it out ,kind of like when the car went through our other fence.

It just ticked me off that they called so late and expected the fence fixed right then..

I also fixed the part of their fence again which is their responsibility because the wire was broke in three places and they didn't seem to be getting around to fixing it.

Don't you love neighbors.. 8)

Thanks for all of your help.

 

[backhoeboogie]

We just fix things. We talk about it later. Sometimes I get fences fixed and don't even know for weeks. Had one neighbor buy all the materials after I bulldozed a fence damaged by a flood. The only thing that first class fence cost me was time and fuel.

In May I strung a whole new run of 7 foot T-posts down a 1300 foot fence shared with another neighbor. I left all the old short fence posts insitu. That neighbor is satisfied with 6 foot T-Posts and I didn't want to argue about it. I replaced the old top wire and added a new top wire above it. He noticed the rework last week for the first time and came by to thank me. He now feels we should use taller T-posts on everything we do. I'm glad.

I've got one bad neighbor who had been trying to get on my good side since our "Taylor/Sutton fued" scenario. He hasn't come out and apologized yet but he almost has accidently.

If a fence is damaged, it needs to be fixed. Just do it. If you get all upset, you are only stressing yourself out.

 

[dun]

Don;t forget to tell him thank you, and mean it!

 

[nap]

I had a similar problem with a neighbor (a horse breeder). My bull kept getting into his pasture. I did everything I could to fence it off, with absolutely no help from him. When the bull got into the pasture for last time he literally ran the bull to death with an ATV. Best bull I ever had. I ended up buying the jerk out to achieve a solution, and made a number of other neighbors extremely happy.

 

[hillsdown]

Hubby talked to him a couple of times today, the guy is away working and won't be home for a couple of weeks so all the info he gets came from his wife. They also have twin 17 year old boys and I think the mice play when the cats away,,,there is more to this story than we will ever know...When hubby and I were out running some metals poles in the ground as a temp fix until we can use the post pounder you can definitely tell that it was some kind of vehicle that hit the fence...


The good news is that we are going to all fix the fence together when he gets back and my hubby is home and split all costs...

I think when he heard the whole damage to the fence a few more questions were asked and maybe a little more light was shed into what really happened to the fence..Who knows and it will always be a mystery but who cares as long as it never happens again, and I doubt it will.

Never lost my cool with him/them ever always kind and appreciative and say please and thank you very much,,,I vent on here and that is that. We are even planning on getting together soon and have a few cocktails.

This forum has saved a lot of confrontations for a lot of people I am thinking.
So I say thank you and mean it. :tiphat:

 

[Jogeephus]

,,,I vent on here and that is that. We are even planning on getting together soon and have a few cocktails.

This forum has saved a lot of confrontations for a lot of people I am thinking.

Amen to that!

 

[Jogeephus]

Cocktails just make me have more confrontations. That is why I stopped drinking. I was a mean wild man drunkard.

Dark liquor makes me into a teddy bear but that white stuff - well let's just say things get a little crazy cause I ain't skeered as they say. ;-) :lol2:

 

[Jogeephus]

When I do drink, I prefer a bourbon and water for social events or relaxation. I might have a beer on a hot day if I don't have anything to do. If I plan on getting stinking drunk, I'll drink the white stuff. I gotta be careful though cause once I hit a certain level it doesn't matter anymore and I seem to hate to see a bottle not finished - no matter what the size. So I've tempered my drinking with age cause I don't want anything to control me.