Former Herd Sire

fit2btied

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I finally gave up trying to get pics in the photo gallery. Giving photobucket a shot now.

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I may be missing it since we don't have a rear shot; but he looks thick to me. I think we would be all ooohing and ahhhing about his thickness and muscle expression if he had been eating out of a bucket and had laid 25 pounds of fat on those thighs (like every good show calf) instead of working his butt off (literally) out on grass with the cows.

His nutts look adequate (do we have a measurement), and I don't have any problem with his head shape or size. I can't tell anything about rib shape or spring of rib; but he looks deep enough to me. If I was going too fault him I would like a little more length, a little more substance of bone, and that front shoulder looks a little coarse in that shot (could be the way the light is hitting it). In short, good, rugged beef bull.
 
cowboyup216":1kk5ahd2 said:
Looks like he has a big head(calving problems), has decent length. No guts, no nuts, appears to be a funnel butt(means he doesnt have one). How old was the bull in this pic? Decent commercial bull at best. If you can give a shot from the rear we might be better able to assess his supposed funnel butt.

:D :D :D :D at you.

Bez>
 
Brandon, I agree with you, I see muscle expression on the outer thighs, forearm and point of shoulder and if its there, its usually is everywhere.

I don't like his shoulders, especially not the fact that it protrudes above his spine, but saying that, one of the best breeding bulls I've used had the same fault and very few of his calves had it.

I'm curious of the breeding of this bull with the white socks on the rear legs.

I see no problem with the head, as a matter of fact it looks to be a good masculine head and neck.
 
This is the only semi-rear shot I have of him, lost most of my pics in the great computer crash of '06. :)

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He was coming two yrs old in that pic. He was a purebred Simmental, MV Red Light 406D son, MGS was a Red Eyed Jack son. We like the traditional red Simms with the spots and ribbons. It doesn't show in the pics but he had a white star on his forehead. Right at half his calves were solid red or black and the rest had a little chrome. He sired 72 calves for us over 3 breeding seasons (6 still to go this spring) - 41 heifers, avg BW 72#, 31 bulls, avg BW 78#. We pulled two of his calves, a 102# bull calf from a BA/Char cross heifer, and a hiplocked 77# heifer (hand twist). His daughters tend to grow off better than his sons and we retained 7 heifers from last years crop and will be keeping another half-dozen or so this year. I don't recall his scrotal measurement but we picked him out at 8 months, bought him at 14 months and there were no problems with his BSE. After testing him, the vet bought a bull from the same breeder. He was taken care of but never pampered by his breeder or us.
 
Yeah, literally worked his @ss off.

I'd have no meat on my ass either if I had to take care of 72 girlfriends, i've gotten into enough trouble just taking care of 2! I mean 1.....
 
He looks to be in good breding condition to have 72 cows to bred and making it on grass. He looks fine to me.
 
TxStateCowboy":vl9fgb3b said:
Yeah, literally worked his @ss off.

I'd have no meat on my ass either if I had to take care of 72 girlfriends, i've gotten into enough trouble just taking care of 2! I mean 1.....

:lol2:
 
TxStateCowboy":2ndlcged said:
Yeah, literally worked his @ss off.

I'd have no meat on my ass either if I had to take care of 72 girlfriends, i've gotten into enough trouble just taking care of 2! I mean 1.....

Wait a minute - were they all virgins? Is this an Islamic bull?

Oops!! Now that might be considered political. :D

If he's just a grass guy - he is doing very, very well indeed.

Bez>
 
I think that he is very nice for the amount of work he is doing. Being a Red Light bet that his daughters will be excellent cows for you. I am a big fan of the red traditionals in the simm breed. Hope you found a good one to replace him.
 
I would think 72 cows over 3 seasons really isn't that much work. He don't look like any Sim I ever saw ... even though he may be.....

The white on his back feet looks strange. Other than that, he looks like a Lim to me.

Dang and I missed the white on the belly.
 
Wewild":3pu4zwk4 said:
I would think 72 cows over 3 seasons really isn't that much work.

It's not, 16 head the first year and 25-30 each of the next two . I included that info in reference to the 'big head (calving problems)' statement, was not implying he was overworked. He got by mainly on that nasty fescue grass and loose minerals. His grain consisted of a 5 gallon bucket of sweet feed or range cubes split among the entire herd once or twice a week to keep them coming in to the working pens. My primary objective was to learn how to post pics but I do appreciate the comments.
 
fit2btied":32g1ymqf said:
Wewild":32g1ymqf said:
I would think 72 cows over 3 seasons really isn't that much work.

It's not,

I really wasn't speaking to you about the working deal as you made it clear early what he had done. Some seemed to think he had worked hard though.

What about his lineage?
 
Wewild":297974gr said:
What about his lineage?

Paternal side includes MV Red Light 406D, GW-CPL Red Alert, Lchmn Red Baldy, Lacombe Achilles, Signal. Maternal side includes Lchman Redeyed Jack, 3C Pasque, Circle S Lchmn 600U.
 

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