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<blockquote data-quote="VLS_GUY" data-source="post: 762241" data-attributes="member: 13182"><p>Dylan,</p><p></p><p>I see that the red cow he is out of suffers from no EPD-itis. What I mean by this is that the genetic worth of a no EPD animal is usually discounted by EPD calculation methods across all breeds. Look at the imported bulls from say Australia for an example. What I would like to see for this bull is a progeny test where he is bred to say 50 good grade cows of all breeds so his worth to the commercial man can be determined up against the big time AI bulls in the Red and Black Angus. I do not trust our EPDs because they were calculated on purebred herds for all breeds for the commercial cattle man with crossbred cows this doesn't always translate into a reliable measure of performance to be expected from a bull and it hurts credibility.</p><p>He certainly is no ABS headliner- a red carrier, out of a no EPD cow and he does not have the big name bulls in his pedigree for marketability. But given the problems with genetic defects, and functionality that selection by superficial marketing wisdom has created may be his time has come. I would emphasize his worth to the commercial beef business not the cocktail click. How about putting him in a commercial herd and see how he does on say some simmy or char based cows in a feeding trial (steers)?</p><p>This is the sort of thing i would have done with NRs bull Lad.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="VLS_GUY, post: 762241, member: 13182"] Dylan, I see that the red cow he is out of suffers from no EPD-itis. What I mean by this is that the genetic worth of a no EPD animal is usually discounted by EPD calculation methods across all breeds. Look at the imported bulls from say Australia for an example. What I would like to see for this bull is a progeny test where he is bred to say 50 good grade cows of all breeds so his worth to the commercial man can be determined up against the big time AI bulls in the Red and Black Angus. I do not trust our EPDs because they were calculated on purebred herds for all breeds for the commercial cattle man with crossbred cows this doesn't always translate into a reliable measure of performance to be expected from a bull and it hurts credibility. He certainly is no ABS headliner- a red carrier, out of a no EPD cow and he does not have the big name bulls in his pedigree for marketability. But given the problems with genetic defects, and functionality that selection by superficial marketing wisdom has created may be his time has come. I would emphasize his worth to the commercial beef business not the cocktail click. How about putting him in a commercial herd and see how he does on say some simmy or char based cows in a feeding trial (steers)? This is the sort of thing i would have done with NRs bull Lad. [/QUOTE]
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