feeding wrapped bales (haylege) outside during winter

ny_grass

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Greetings all,

It's been some time since I've checked in. We had a wonderful summer, all our mama cows calved without problems (except our helfer calf which got confused and didn't want to nurse her calf at first) and have been healthy, happy and fast growing. I castrated my bulls a couple of weeks ago (using the California bander again which I continue to think is the way to go).

Not all is perfect, of course, as I'm still putting in my new automatic insulated waterer and, more importantly, I haven't secured all of the feed I'll need for the winter. Everyone around here is wanting too much for their hay (or, perhaps, I'm just cheap and have been waiting for a great deal). One guy around here wants $30 for a small round bale (which probably weight 500 lbs). It's good hay but for 7 mamas and 7 7-9 month old calves that means a very expensive winter feeding bill.

Two farmers, however, are offering wrapped bales for $20. So my question, are they a viable option up here in Upstate NY? I mean, it seems obvious to me that if they are too wet then they are going to be frozen when unwrapped. The one farmer claims that he makes his with less moisture than most people and they won't freeze (but even he, being a dairy farmer, has most of his experience with the bales in his barn). Perhaps they do freeze but not solid and the cows can still just pick off flakes? I'm inclined to think the risk of the cows not being able to feed themselves is too great and I need to go with dry hay.

How about nutrition? Will haylage keep them warm enough? I don't know the details but I've heard that even poor quality hay does a fair job of keeping cattle warm (though it may lack in the other elements of nutrition)? Perhaps haylage, with higher protein levels, might not work in a cold climate?

Thanks for any help ;-)

JR
 
Just talked to another farmer who says that, yes, freezing can be a problem with haylage.

I've considered that I could get some haylage and feed it out in early winter and early spring, or during warm spells. Problem is that seems pretty iffy - what if we have a winter where we have 3 months of below freezing (not impossible up here).
 
JR, Cant help about haylage, but If you have a livestock auction near you check to see if they sell hay.
We have one local barn here and on certain days you can get real good buys on all types of hay.
Also check out a newspaper called Lancaster Farming. http://www.lancasterfarming.com/
Bill
 
Keep in mind that you are paying for water with the haylage--
So the hay can cost twice as much (or more)/lb and it could still be a better buy.
 
Howdyjabo":upmy634l said:
Keep in mind that you are paying for water with the haylage--
So the hay can cost twice as much (or more)/lb and it could still be a better buy.
But isn't the nutritional value of haylage a good bit better? And, I'm paying by the bale not the ton. From what I've been able to find, I can pay $20 (plus delivery) for a bale of haylage or $25 (plus shipping) for dry. I think, given these prices, the haylage is the better buy, no? You probably are thinking of paying more modest prices for the dry (last year I paid about $80/ton). Just wondering.
 
looks like the wrapped hayledge bales would be the better deal.now you might also want to feed them some dry hay along with it.
 
I can't tell you what the better buy is
Need to know the weights, moisture content and the nutrient analysis to do that.
 
Thanks for the comments guys.

Anyone have anything about the core issue: can I count on haylage to not be frozen solid up here? I've only seen haylage from a round bale once and it looked to be reasonably "dry" (though the farmer who was showing it to me opened up the top - if it was really wet, I probably should have seen a sample from the bottom).

JR
 
Talked to one of the farmers that wants $20/bale for the haylage; he says his uncle leaves his bales outside all year; when needed he'll grab one, bring it to the barn, open it and it breaks right up. He says. I'm going to go look at them later.

One thing I like about the haylage bales is that I'm planning on putting them out in the pasture. When they need one I'll just cut it open. Last year I had a big pile of dry bales. Every other day or so I'd go out, start the tractor, spear one, try to make it through the snow, try to get it over the fence without tearing it up and drop it. Then I'd cut the strings, put a ring around it and they'd be good to go. It worked out pretty well but there were 3 or 4 days when a) the tractor wouldn't start, b) I had to dig a path 5' wide and 40' long of 2.5' of wet snow (by hand - that was fun!), etc.... It seems that the haylage method would be much less work. IF, big IF, the stuff doesn't freeze.

JR
 
bigbull338":2p5yqevf said:
looks like the wrapped hayledge bales would be the better deal.now you might also want to feed them some dry hay along with it.
I've got about 35 bales of dry that I can mix in with the haylage.
 
ny_grass":2z467igw said:
bigbull338":2z467igw said:
looks like the wrapped hayledge bales would be the better deal.now you might also want to feed them some dry hay along with it.
I've got about 35 bales of dry that I can mix in with the haylage.
All I've been around was just nasty as he$$ to work with and where you are you might end up serving it up with a chainsaw. :lol2: Even put up correctly it will run 30-35% moisture and that stuff settles to the bottom over a period of time. When you unwrap the bale you can imagine the stench and you wear it all day.
 
IF the haylege was done correctly it will not freeze. Notice I said IF.
Water needs Oxygen to freeze, no oxygen water can not freeze.
So if they wrapped these bales tightly like they should, and handled them accordingly without breaking the plastic wrap, you should not have any issues.
 
ny_grass":1sce9gmu said:
One thing I like about the haylage bales is that I'm planning on putting them out in the pasture. When they need one I'll just cut it open.
JR
Good luck with that. If you don;t have any cows in the pasture they won;t tear open the wrap. If there are cows around it I'll almost gaurentee they'll tear some of them if not all. The dairy tried that a couple of years ago By january all of the bales were torn to some dgree and most of it wasn;t eaten.
 
tmlonghorns":3s255k6i said:
...Water needs Oxygen to freeze, no oxygen water can not freeze...
????? I wish the water in the pipes under my house had known that last winter when they froze up. :) Never heard that before - only that it needed temps below 32 degrees and room to expand by about 10%. Not trying to be a smart-alec. That being said, every water molecule out there has one atom of oxygen in it, otherwise it wouldn't be water.
 
dun":otmjwrg8 said:
ny_grass":otmjwrg8 said:
One thing I like about the haylage bales is that I'm planning on putting them out in the pasture. When they need one I'll just cut it open.
JR
Good luck with that. If you don;t have any cows in the pasture they won;t tear open the wrap. If there are cows around it I'll almost gaurentee they'll tear some of them if not all. The dairy tried that a couple of years ago By january all of the bales were torn to some dgree and most of it wasn;t eaten.
That's good to know. I've heard that deer are problem around here too. It would be easy enough to set up an electric wire to keep them out of the bales I don't want them getting into. In fact when I thought I was going to be getting dry round bales this is what I was going to do; set them in the pasture where I want them and fence them off. Every other day or so open up a new mini paddock containing a bale ....
 
fit2btied":o6i3oame said:
tmlonghorns":o6i3oame said:
...Water needs Oxygen to freeze, no oxygen water can not freeze...
????? I wish the water in the pipes under my house had known that last winter when they froze up. :) Never heard that before - only that it needed temps below 32 degrees and room to expand by about 10%. Not trying to be a smart-alec. That being said, every water molecule out there has one atom of oxygen in it, otherwise it wouldn't be water.

That is because you had air pockets in your lines........I am just telling you that if these bales are done correctly they will not have enough O2 to freeze.
 
tmlonghorns":3opjycfp said:
IF the haylege was done correctly it will not freeze. Notice I said IF.
Water needs Oxygen to freeze, no oxygen water can not freeze.
So if they wrapped these bales tightly like they should, and handled them accordingly without breaking the plastic wrap, you should not have any issues.
Water contains oxygen....H2o.And there is no such thing as an airtight bale. 35% moisture looks relatively dry. In 60 days it's water at the bottom of the bale. At the 20 below zero some of these folks experience a fart will freeze.
 
fit2btied":3svp4hbe said:
tmlonghorns":3svp4hbe said:
...Water needs Oxygen to freeze, no oxygen water can not freeze...
????? I wish the water in the pipes under my house had known that last winter when they froze up. :) Never heard that before - only that it needed temps below 32 degrees and room to expand by about 10%. Not trying to be a smart-alec. That being said, every water molecule out there has one atom of oxygen in it, otherwise it wouldn't be water.

Well F2BT this winter all ya have to do is make the foundation of your house air tight and no more frozen pipes. ;-) Hope all is well up your way and hope to see ya again next year.

Cal
 
So, I think I have a resolution to my problem. Went to see another farmer today who has large square bales; he says they weigh 800 lbs. They are 32"x30"x90", two year old first cutting. Not the best hay but it's in good shape (not rained on) and he's selling it for what comes out to $50/ton ($20/bale).

I'm going to get a bunch of palettes and set them up in a line, two high, with fencing in between so that I can meter out 2 at a time. I think this should work out really well.
 

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