fawn calf vs final answer
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angus9259":2f21rusa said:
We have Final Answer and Connection calves due in January and semen in the tank, too. According to some folks on the Advantage board, there will be a FC test available before the end of the year. Hopefully, we'll know something about those bulls before fall breeding starts. We have moved to an all spring calving program, so we won't be breeding anything until April. I'm still not so sure about FC. Some people say they can't pick out FC yearlings from normal calves. It will be something to consider when we pick bulls, but I just can't get as excited about it as the AM & NH.
I agree. I'm breeding now for my sept calves and would like to use that final answer stuff but . . . . I guess it can sit in the tank till spring breeding. I just bought the pick bandolier son at the Sunny Valley dispersal for my cleanup bull too. I'm still inclined to use him for cleanup - he's an awful good bull and bandolier is almost genetically inaccessible.
Oldtimer
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tncattle467":231it89r said:
He has tested AM and NH "free"- but with Bando 598 as a mgs- who the Australians have connected directly to Fawn Calf Syndrome (while the US association/semen pimps apparently stuck their head in the sand
) it leaves a big question as to genetic problems.....Really hasn't been a concern of mine because he's too much of a "bigger better faster" for me to use anyway.... ;-)
beginner, not sure how to use list.
Had 15 potential AMC carriers, only had 2 AMC. Was so happy.
Then came NH. ALL MY COWS ARE NH. I'm wiped out as a breeder.
Question: My selection criteria over 12 yrs has been disposition, really. If 100% of my sweet gals are NH, and only 50% should be by
probability, is NH linked some way to disposition?
What are people saying?
Had 15 potential AMC carriers, only had 2 AMC. Was so happy.
Then came NH. ALL MY COWS ARE NH. I'm wiped out as a breeder.
Question: My selection criteria over 12 yrs has been disposition, really. If 100% of my sweet gals are NH, and only 50% should be by
probability, is NH linked some way to disposition?
What are people saying?
RD-Sam
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Betty, you aren't wiped out as a breeder, you have I think two breeding seasons to recover from the NH. Just breed your cows to sires that have been tested free of AM and NH. From what I am seeing, it is a little more difficult to get offspring that are free of NH than free of AM. Test all the offspring and send the carriers to the stock yard.
The next hurdle is not getting burned by FCS in the process. FCS goes way back from what I can tell, back to the 50's at least from some pedigree analysis, at least that is my opinion.
There is no link to disposition that I know of. Several believe that larger framed animals with poorly muscled rears and fine bone may be an indicator for FCS.
The next hurdle is not getting burned by FCS in the process. FCS goes way back from what I can tell, back to the 50's at least from some pedigree analysis, at least that is my opinion.
There is no link to disposition that I know of. Several believe that larger framed animals with poorly muscled rears and fine bone may be an indicator for FCS.
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iowa hawkeyes
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Aero":3sxqpuza said:
You could tell a lot of the TH carriers by their hair and bone in the crossbreeds. RD Sam could be right...
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angus9259":oyjqsnvy said:
We only have 1 or 2 cows with 598 several generations back in their heritage-- but until things get sorted out and tests developed I'm avoiding any bulls or buying any cows/heifers that he is in the background of....
Too many other bloodlines out their to choose from....
Aero":1vuuy49e said:
You should actually be able to tell quite closely by simply calculating the 1680 offspring that are AM, those that are NH, those that are both and those that are neither. If the weighting is heavy on NH then there may be something significant.
kenny thomas
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Got a related question, I have a friend who has a couple of 4 year old cows that are NH positive. One is already listed in Angus sale on Dec 12th. If I bought these cows and crossbred them to Simmental and sent the calves to the feedlot would I have any problems?
We have always been able to "upgrade" in the Simmental Breed - that was the only way to get Simmental cattle except for some imports in the beginning. There was very little "upgrading" for a number of years, but it has boomed over the past maybe 5-10 years again. So there are a lot of "freshly made" purebreds now.
You can check your Simmental cattle for potential genetic defect in their pedigree at the ASA web site:
http://www.simmental.org/
You can check your Simmental cattle for potential genetic defect in their pedigree at the ASA web site:
http://www.simmental.org/
