Family Farms are Overrated

StrojanHerefords

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I was at a Farm Bureau dinner the other day and the people next to us said that their daughters could make six figures but they couldn't pay them that much. I thought to myself, that is a bad business decision forgoing that maybe $30,000 a year difference between what they could make off the farm compared to hiring someone to do the farm work. What other poor decision making is going on in this operation? If they can't pay a fair wage, what future do the daughters have? The business continues to falter and eventually the farm is lost and the daughters don't have the off the farm life experience to have the life that they could have had. 100% benign neglect.
I have had many conversations with farm kids in our mid thirties to forties that have the same story. Add in the way that the family structure had deteriorated and their are a lot of us in a very bad place. To all those younger than us who are interesting going back to the farm, get off the farm experience and come back as an adult.
 
instead of chasing money, people need to be chasing quality of life.
What kind of quality of life is their when your thirty six and still having to ask for the pickup keys? When your fresh out of school it is nice to not worry about money but add a few years and you have nothing of your own; it is a different story.
 
What kind of quality of life is their when your thirty six and still having to ask for the pickup keys? When your fresh out of school it is nice to not worry about money but add a few years and you have nothing of your own; it is a different story.
It all depends on what you want.
What my family has for net liquid assets at the end of the year would probably be laughable to most.
We pay all our bills, own our home, just bought some land this year. Give what we feel is a pretty good offering to church every week. I have no new equipment or vehicles. But we are building equity.
We take the kids on little overnight trips once a year and otherwise have fun close to home.
Extra cash would be nice but it sure isn’t necessary to make our family happy.

The flip side of that is that we don’t farm enough to support two families. I have encouraged my older kids to do something else but not to look at the family farming operation for their careers.
 
I think that a big part of the problem for us in agriculture, is that we (farmers, maybe myself included) are often willing to continue providing our product while we subsidize its production costs. OK... so what am I really saying? We often don't really DEMAND that we must "pay ourselves"... enough to make a reasonable wage, PLUS a reasonable profit for our business. Often, IF there is a profit, THAT is our only "pay" for our investment of time in the business.

If no farmers would be willing to produce and sell their product at "a loss" like this... meaning the selling price ALWAYS had to cover ALL of the cost of production, including all labor, PLUS a reasonable profit on the business itself... and if it didn't or if it couldn't reasonably do that, they'd quickly refuse to provide product... they'd quit... and they'd then have to find another way to "make a living", or another business to contribute their time to.............. and I will in general prefer to include accomplishing that without "government subsidies"... (many government subsidies also are automatically accepted and are calculated into the bottom line production costs of other products and services that we all use, need, or purchase as well... as a standard matter of practice... bio-fuel mandates for example for the ethanol industry, similar incentives for the petroleum industry, tax incentives for investment in a community, and the list goes on and on... so I don't want to get too high and mighty about "ag subsidies" here)... What do you think would happen to farm commodity prices, if this were the case? Supply would begin to dwindle, prices would come up (which MAY begin to affect demand), and it'd all straighten itself out, eventually. But many, if not most in agriculture, are willing to work off-farm jobs for their "living", not requiring that they have to have profit... ON TOP OF a reasonable wage for their time and expertise level, plus covering all inputs related to the production of the product. I'll willingly raise my hand as one who "pays himself last"... HOPING that I'll have something left over to accomplish that. I for sure don't try to figure out how many hours I put in, and then assign a reasonable hourly wage to those hours, before selling my animals!

That IS what industry does though. All of their employees get paid for their time, and so do their executives... FIRST. All of their creditors and vendors get paid... and their insurance, and their equipment overhead costs, all capital investments are covered... and recovered... PLUS a reasonable profit, through the sale of their product to the consumer. THAT determines the price. If they can't accomplish that, they quit... maybe file for bankruptcy even if they need to.

We're too independent to do that collaboratively though... and industry (like the packers in the meat industry), and the consumers are fully willing to take advantage of us because of how we function. I don't know the answer, because I too LOVE what I do. But if I had to pay myself a minimum of $30-$40/hour for all the hours that I put in, and charge that to the cost of the beef I sell at current prices even, I doubt that I'd make much "profit", most of the time.

That said, I've also worked in town... and the quality of life that I have now is worth FAR more to me than the $$$ I might be able to bring home to my family by working somewhere else. THAT has value too. As long as I can stay ahead of the bills, I'm happy.
 
One of the most beneficial things a young person can have is a work ethic. It is hugely easier to teach a kid that on a farm then it is raising them in an urban or suburban setting. They don't grow up watching the parents leave to go to work but never witness the effort put out. On a farm the kids not only see that but also are very often included. So no matter if they choose to stay on the farm or go off elsewhere they take that benefit with them. That is a huge advantage over those who didn't learn it.
 
My grandson (14) has said he's going to work on the farm after he graduates. He's never expressed ANY interest in the farm before and can't swing a hammer.
 
It is hard to make a living farming, but you have to be a jack of all trades to farm because you sure can't hire it all done. I have had several off the farm jobs and what I learned farming has helped me in everyone of them.
 
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I was never in a farm setting for long. I choose this life that my wife and I started after we retired. We didn't even by property until 10years ago. My kids want nothing to do with any of the property. I too 95% by myself because I like to stay busy. I know this is our dream, it's not for them. I do wonder how they are going to feel when we sell all this and really retire. LoL!
 
I have a 19 year old in college right now for HVAC. I have encouraged him to position himself to be able to do what he loves. I think that is the part that gets left out. It's easy to say to focus on quality of life but you have to intentionally plan and work and sacrifice to achieve that.

Imo, it's important for young people to go out and see things and work for other people and get their own life in order, as an individual, before they come back.
 
Quality of life doesn't mean anything if the business is unprofitable and not able to financial sustain the family.
Equity doesn't buy groceries.
Sure it does, but you have to look at it correctly. This as written IS poor quality of life. To have quality of life, you have to be able to sustain the family financially and needs. HOWEVER, being able to solely meet financial needs is not necessarily quality of life. You also must determine for yourself what the threshold for "good" quality of life is/ It's not the same for everyone. For me, quality of life is being able to go camping on weekends and meet those financial needs. To someone else, quality of life might mean driving a lambrigini and living in a penthouse with a month's long vacation each year at a private oceanfront resort.
 
So the daughter stayed on the farm and didn't take the 6 figure job?
It didn't work like that. The daughters had been out of school for a little over a decade and had they been out in the associated industries they would have advanced to a six figure job. At this point they would have to start at the bottom. In effect they have been shackled with golden handcuffs.
 
It didn't work like that. The daughters had been out of school for a little over a decade and had they been out in the associated industries they would have advanced to a six figure job. At this point they would have to start at the bottom. In effect they have been shackled with golden handcuffs.
I got ya. Well, hopefully that's where they want to be.
 
can't make any money when you're handed a farm? I started with nothing with no help and I make plenty profit (hint: its 6 figures) I couldn't imagine having the family help out, share costs, share work, etc.

Don't start at the family farm if you don't have a written contract detailing what you expect. if thats your worry.

can't get quality of life w/o a ton of work and sacrifice? we're talking about being given a farm, not working for one.... HEY SON>> HERES THE FARM. OH BOY DADDY!! Wow.. that took a lot of hard work and sacrifice.. I'm sure my quality of life would be going through the roof moving to the city, going to college or getting a trade job //office job.. and working for other people. SOUNDS LIKE FUN!

if you're not making money right now with cattle I suggest you rethink the entire operation.
 
I’m feeling like the drooling kid sitting at the special table in the lunchroom in second grade.
Can y’all scale this down so a barefoot hillbilly can grasp it? I’ve got a nice farm and six kids, so would like to understand
 

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