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<blockquote data-quote="Arnold Ziffle" data-source="post: 75288" data-attributes="member: 43"><p>TXCOWBOY --- A belated "Welcome".</p><p></p><p>All I was trying to say is that, once you have the F-1s, I just happen to see alot of them (as HEIFERS) being sold as "bred black" and oftentimes they are bred to Brangus as opposed to Angus. Why sometimes Brangus and not always Angus -- I don't particularly know. I know that most folks these days want the F-1 heifer's calves to be black and to be born alive, and having more Brahman influence in the resulting first calf via use of the Brangus as opposed to Angus bull apparently is not troubling to many folks. When I started out I bought 18 bred Beefmaster and "tiger" heifers and about 3/4 of them were bred to black Brangus. A little extra "ear" didn't bother me a bit -- I was just praying for no birthing trainwrecks!. I guess that sometimes it may be that the rancher way down South just has had a little (or a lot in my case) more trouble with keeping an Angus bull than a Brangus bull. (Obviously a moot issue if the bull is housed in a nitrogen tank). I think that in the vast majority of cases the heifer calves born to those first calf F-1s are going to be sold and not kept as replacements in any event. </p><p></p><p>But clearly you are right, the Brangus sired calves out of the F-1s will have 43.75% Brahman blood and that's a good bit more than the often desired limit of 25% (which seems to be a line of demarcation of sorts for feeder calves, and is based on MARC testing). Once the F-1s have had their first or even second calf, if you are interested mostly in maximizing the pounds of beef to sell it would seem to me that a Charolais sire would be the ticket, especially if you are not an absentee owner. If interested in trying for a higher quality grade carcass, black Angus sire. I hope at least some of the above makes sense (and is correct :lol: ).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arnold Ziffle, post: 75288, member: 43"] TXCOWBOY --- A belated "Welcome". All I was trying to say is that, once you have the F-1s, I just happen to see alot of them (as HEIFERS) being sold as "bred black" and oftentimes they are bred to Brangus as opposed to Angus. Why sometimes Brangus and not always Angus -- I don't particularly know. I know that most folks these days want the F-1 heifer's calves to be black and to be born alive, and having more Brahman influence in the resulting first calf via use of the Brangus as opposed to Angus bull apparently is not troubling to many folks. When I started out I bought 18 bred Beefmaster and "tiger" heifers and about 3/4 of them were bred to black Brangus. A little extra "ear" didn't bother me a bit -- I was just praying for no birthing trainwrecks!. I guess that sometimes it may be that the rancher way down South just has had a little (or a lot in my case) more trouble with keeping an Angus bull than a Brangus bull. (Obviously a moot issue if the bull is housed in a nitrogen tank). I think that in the vast majority of cases the heifer calves born to those first calf F-1s are going to be sold and not kept as replacements in any event. But clearly you are right, the Brangus sired calves out of the F-1s will have 43.75% Brahman blood and that's a good bit more than the often desired limit of 25% (which seems to be a line of demarcation of sorts for feeder calves, and is based on MARC testing). Once the F-1s have had their first or even second calf, if you are interested mostly in maximizing the pounds of beef to sell it would seem to me that a Charolais sire would be the ticket, especially if you are not an absentee owner. If interested in trying for a higher quality grade carcass, black Angus sire. I hope at least some of the above makes sense (and is correct :lol: ). [/QUOTE]
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